loss of my friend frans.

[aptquark]

Originally Posted by ashok

In our place we say that the only thing you are sure about after you are born is that you will surely die one day. Your life 'path' is pre-determined for you to learn various things. When you finish , you will exit it ...die ! While you have the freedom to change the way you face each hurdle , you cannot change the major events that will take place.
This also means that if you make it to wealth and fame ...it isn't your's really...it was mean to be so. So no one can really claim to riches or fame the way they do today.
This sermon is too long to put here but the bottom line is face everything with humility and courage and the end will always be good. Don't compare yourself with others. Each one has his own task in life and it isn't for you to determine what it is and make comparisons ! Take care of your own ...it's enough.

Now some good web site are there . Good books too.
Check out Friday Afterlife Report April 20th 2012 and their older pages in the 'archives' section. You should find it very interesting.

We also have a saying " Everything happens for the better ". Hard to believe but often you see what's good about a 'tough event' only many years after the event and many resulting things transpired. Not visible at the time of the 'tough event' happening. After so many years in life , and facing lots of traumatic events in the meantime, I now firmly believe in it !
Look up. Everything will eventually end wonderfully ! Enjoy the future, let it not be spoiled by past events. Those who have passed over ARE having a great time already ! You needn't feel sorry for them anymore !
Cheers.

EXACTLY!


check these links out about Elder Thaddius. He puts many things into perspective without necessarily attributing EVERYTHING to God.

I dont consider myself a "religious" person..but I am very "spiritual".

Elder Thaddeus of Vitovnitsa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qACk5vu_wY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5owjLHPM0U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCnn_rgxNGE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSIqYgBo6S8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw5KscF5KjQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nagtHkPWbKI&feature=related

[rob g]

Originally Posted by ashok

We also have a saying " Everything happens for the better ".

Then why don't you find yourself rejoicing when you hear of terrible natural world disasters and say to yourself "Thank the Heavens, another seemingly terrible, senseless, brutal, heinous catastrophic event!, we will grow and learn with this one for sure!!"
If these things are planned then your creator is by definition imperfect and/or malevolent and destructive, no way around this. A grand plan that requires huge suffering is irrefutable damning proof of serious imperfection.


Far better to take comfort in the plain fact that these things have no meaning, certainly there is no plan, then you can and move on with your own life, helping others as best you can. Treat others as you would hope yourself to be treated (but not expect it), simply for it's own reward as a decent human being.

[c2cthomas]

With all due respect to you Rob - please - let's not get into religion (or politics).

[Alvis]

Your friend made an impulsive mistake when at a very low moment in his life.

Take comfort in the fact that you kept him alive for three years.

If he could undo his actions, he would, I promise you that.

Avoid alcohol and do not put false hope in false "Gods" and various other deities.

(I am not saying your friend was drinking, it is however a common depressant that put's people over the edge. People do things out of character while drinking. It is a horrible drug.)

Take it easy.

[simon7000]

The first person I knew who died that way showed signs I saw again, but did not recognize, in the second person I knew who died that way.

The third time I saw the signs, I said hello. He now is friend and doing much better.

[Cassiel]

Your friend made an impulsive mistake when at a very low moment in his life.

Impulsive mistake my left foot. Dying of depression ain't nice. Good for him it's all over. Three years of sadness is a loooooong time. Family and friends taking now the collateral damage. Chemically harmful chain reaction. Must endure.

[Bksabath]

[QUOTE=kees52;2996192]Hi all.


Just lost frans a friend I did now from childhood,QUOTE]

I did not know him well but from the little I did know he was one of the people that made DIY audio great.

I am really sorry.

[aptquark]

Originally Posted by c2cthomas

With all due respect to you Rob - please - let's not get into religion (or politics).

yea..or the thread will be closed down...or something like that.

Anyway...the bottom line is each individual has to rectify internally how they will succeed with their turmoils. The problem is when others influence your balance for the good or bad. YOU have to be the ultimate balance for yourself..and take what knowledge you can from the world around you. Some need the understanding that their is a higher power...and that higher power can be defined as whatever makes you come to terms with life.

Funny thing is, there is too much going on around us. Too many distractions from the self. If we could all escape to the desert and be at one with ourselves...we would greatly benefit from such time alone.

Hell, even anchorites have a hell of a time finding this inner solace...and this is after decades of isolation.

Imagine how screwed we are as everyday dwellers in society.

And then to top things off...addictions are like russian roulette with the everyday person.

throw in depression...stress, etc...and its a wonder we can function at all.

But, the human spirit is insane really. Somehow keeps it somewhat together.

[ashok]

Originally Posted by rob g

........Then why don't you find yourself rejoicing when you hear of terrible natural world disasters...etc.......

Mark my words Rob G ! When I heard this saying for the very first time it was at my fathers death. Nothing up lifting at the time. I couldn't care if the rest of the world was going to crap ! I lost several very close friends later and close relatives. I've lost LOTS of people I care for very much !
But now after so many years I can see how things did happen for the better.
If you analyse it in a selfish way , you will NEVER see what's good about them. You have to rise above it. It's NOT about rejoicing at all ! You got it all mixed up !
That's it. I'm not saying anything more about this. Take it or leave it. You have to do the analysis for your situation your own way. No one else can do it for you. If you don't see it this lifetime, you will see it for sure on D day !
Wish you all the best.
Cheers.

[aptquark]

Originally Posted by Alvis

Your friend made an impulsive mistake when at a very low moment in his life.

Take comfort in the fact that you kept him alive for three years.

If he could undo his actions, he would, I promise you that.

Avoid alcohol and do not put false hope in false "Gods" and various other deities.

(I am not saying your friend was drinking, it is however a common depressant that put's people over the edge. People do things out of character while drinking. It is a horrible drug.)

Take it easy.

anything you use to escape from dealing with your issues, by not forcing yourself to overcome your dilemmas..is a sure way to "snap". And it only takes a split second of weakness to make a decision that you cannot take back.

You cannot judge what others ultimately do. No one can, and should not even try.