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Old 19th April 2012, 02:53 PM   #21
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...and I'm actually a very cheerful person believe it or not.

Those who have zero expectations are easily contented. I agree with you about the dumb stuff but being dumb is not our major problem. Ants are dumb (all day working WTF) but they're doing fine. And about our future destruction...it has been said with fewer words: you're going to reap what you sow.
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Old 19th April 2012, 03:09 PM   #22
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Those who have zero expectations are easily contented. I agree with you about the dumb stuff but being dumb is not our major problem. Ants are dumb (all day working WTF) but they're doing fine. And about our future destruction...it has been said with fewer words: you're going to reap what you sow.

we cannot conclude that ants are dumb. Actually, ants have highly evolved social strata. What the ants and other species have done is gone beyond the "self". At least we study other species to try to understand our place in this universe. The only problem is that we do not incorporate what we learn from other species that have been around for millennia. What do we do instead? Destroy habitats, rain forests etc. We destroy the things that could bring us answers that we strive to address. This is more than dumb. Its our own purposefully devised demise.
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Old 19th April 2012, 03:30 PM   #23
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we cannot conclude that ants are dumb
Ants carry items 50 times their own body weight. How silly is that? Doesn't look safe to me. Plus they do all kind of silly things....like crossing paths when there's people walking around.....silly soldiers too, with poor fighting techniques.


Actually, our main problem is having some sort of intelligence. It drive us crazy. Kind of funny when you think about it.
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Old 19th April 2012, 04:08 PM   #25
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Ants carry items 50 times their own body weight. How silly is that? Doesn't look safe to me. Plus they do all kind of silly things....like crossing paths when there's people walking around.....silly soldiers too, with poor fighting techniques.


Actually, our main problem is having some sort of intelligence. It drive us crazy. Kind of funny when you think about it.
LOL..thats funny.
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Old 19th April 2012, 04:29 PM   #27
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US we're #1
Kinda unfair. (mostly totals not per capita). We Canadians arent far behind, the way our present government is going.

But its not the governments that rule, its the big corporations, and there only reason for being is greed. Institutionalized selfishness. Thats why we are doomed.
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Proof humanity is doomed.
A person can over-dramatize the situation with words like "doomed." Most reasonable people would, I think, accept that nothing lasts forever in our known universe. Those with a religious inclination notwithstanding, but I don't want to go there anyway.
I will say that that poster needs to look for some kind of cure for his chronic one-track-mind-itis.
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"All the great thinkers" and "Yet we deem ourselves "intelligent"."
Much moreso than this sort of contradictory rhetoric.
I have insufficient time and motivation to continue on with this. Suffice it to say that an overwhelming refusal to identify a problem results in a continually elusive solution.
People aren't dumb. They just like to act that way.
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A person can over-dramatize the situation with words like "doomed." Most reasonable people would, I think, accept that nothing lasts forever in our known universe. Those with a religious inclination notwithstanding, but I don't want to go there anyway.
I will say that that poster needs to look for some kind of cure for his chronic one-track-mind-itis.

At least that shows some intellectual honesty.

Much moreso than this sort of contradictory rhetoric.
I have insufficient time and motivation to continue on with this. Suffice it to say that an overwhelming refusal to identify a problem results in a continually elusive solution.
People aren't dumb. They just like to act that way.
Sofa...I respect your non motivation to continue with this discussion...but if you did, you would fail. There is absolutely no such proof that can substantiate we are genetically/psychologically predisposed to continue this way and succeed. There is absolutely no difference in humanity and its trials and tribulations since the beginning of human social interactions. Do you thing we have advanced in terms of love, pain, suffering, than lets say humanity in the dark ages? People have had the same psychological predispositions throughout human existence. We do not empathize more or less, feel pain, love, more or less than before. We are STILL in the same boat. We are stagnant.

The evolution required to achieve these advances is not in our reach. Certainly not within the next few hundred years. And I seriously doubt we can keep our crap together till then.

I would love for you to enlighten me, since I am actually very open minded. But I understand your lack of interest to continue this discussion.

And you're right..people arent dumb...they are worse than dumb.
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I respect your non motivation to continue with this discussion...but if you did, you would fail.
I'll consider that just your ego talking.
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We do not empathize more or less, feel pain, love, more or less than before. We are STILL in the same boat. We are stagnant.
The evolution required to achieve these advances is not in our reach.
Your error is in thinking that these things have anything at all to do with evolution. At least not the natural, Darwinian kind. If you're talking about some new-agey emotional evolution, I'd say you're wasting your time. Concepts of love, pain, suffering, etc. only exist because we're intelligent enough to recognize them, i.e. they come with be a conscious being. People can find the same concepts to one degree or another in a lot of animals with advanced nervous systems, and guess what... that situation hasn't changed either. In eons. Life is sometimes pleasant, and sometimes tough. But only for the living.
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Do you thing we have advanced in terms of love, pain, suffering, than lets say humanity in the dark ages? People have had the same psychological predispositions throughout human existence.
OK, I think we can now agree on that.
So, no, I don't think about it.
But who is loved, and who is suffering... I do find that worthy of some waking time.
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