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Old 11th March 2012, 01:00 AM   #111
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Old 11th March 2012, 04:10 AM   #112
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There is no way the world can sustain another 3 billion Chinese
Don't worry, it won't have to. Between Mao's cultural revolution and the "one child" policy including systemic (illegal) forced abortions as recent as the mid 2K's the birthrate in China is now at 1.7, that is well below "replacement level".

Based on current trends projected onwards, population will still rise a bit towards around 2030, mainly because of immigration (from North Korea where people are running away from starvation and being publicly executed for minor infractions), but then is set to fall.

India is another case though...

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Old 11th March 2012, 04:18 AM   #113
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Mmmmph! IC engine is going to be in cars for a long while, yet. Gasoline and diesel give you most BTUs per gallon and per pound. NG is OK too. And it's cheaply transported to the end user and there's lots of it.

Charging the automotive fleet from the electricity grid is a non-starter.

If batteries are going to be wide spread in cars, then they'll be hybrids.

In addition to the billions in China and India there are another billion people in Africa. Last time I looked, (last month), 7 of the 10 fastest growing countries in the world are in Africa. 60% of world's uncultivated arable land is in Africa. They have huge undeveloped hydrocarbon resources in Africa. They will have their cars and tractors.

Cooking with gas, instead of wood, charcoal and dung.

Those huge cities springing up in Asia and Africa will save the ecology as poor folk will no longer be in the countryside laying waste to it. Yes! That's what happens. Did you know the US has more forest land now than it did a hundred years ago? I'm pretty sure same thing in Europe.

Don't let the climate scamsters fool you into thinking you have to stop driving or feel guilty when you take your 5 L "environmental crime" out for a spin.

And BTW, make sure your car has a good heater:

[1005.4639] Empirical evidence for a celestial origin of the climate oscillations and its implications
[1201.1301] Testing an astronomically-based decadal-scale empirical harmonic climate model versus the IPCC (2007) general circulation climate models
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Old 11th March 2012, 04:44 AM   #114
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Rumor has it the whole global warming shindig was started by the class-d crowd ....
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Old 11th March 2012, 05:00 AM   #115
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Rumor has it the whole global warming shindig was started by the class-d crowd ....
Nope, it was the "Global Cooling" Crowd, actually. Anyone still remember these pseudo-scientist on TV spouting off how the world would be in a new Ice age in ten years or so?

Basically the same kind of FUD Mongers who are now "Global Warming", no doubt when their current bad science falls apart they will find another cause celebre by which to spread FUD...

Actually, they are already back-pedalling, by calling it now "global climate change" which conveniently covers all exigencies, as the only reliably known thing about the earth climate is that it changes, rather than being constant...

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Old 11th March 2012, 05:12 AM   #116
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In addition to the billions in China and India there are another billion people in Africa. Last time I looked, (last month), 7 of the 10 fastest growing countries in the world are in Africa.
Don't worry about Africa. They keep on insisting on having these (seriously un)civil wars (I'm betting on Nigeria - again - for the next really bad one) with massive attrition rates.

And as the US based Drug firms control the retro-viral treatments for HIV and are unwilling to offer them at low prices I suspect given the still rising rate of prevalence rate in most african countries HIV will take care of the rest.

And BTW, make sure your car has a good heater:

Well, the alchemists and their Magnum Opus has already been shown to have been essentially correct, looks like it's now the turn of the Astrologists, if there is substance to the theories linked...

Whatever next? A revival of Magik?

Ciao T

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Old 11th March 2012, 08:08 AM   #117
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Don't worry about Africa. They keep on insisting on having these (seriously un)civil wars (I'm betting on Nigeria - again - for the next really bad one) with massive attrition rates.

And as the US based Drug firms control the retro-viral treatments for HIV and are unwilling to offer them at low prices I suspect given the still rising rate of prevalence rate in most african countries HIV will take care of the rest.

And BTW, make sure your car has a good heater:



Well, the alchemists and their Magnum Opus has already been shown to have been essentially correct, looks like it's now the turn of the Astrologists, if there is substance to the theories linked...

Whatever next? A revival of Magik?

Ciao T
I don't worry about Africa. I expect it will do well, overall, even with the political exigencies. What's happened is countries there have accumulated enough know-how to create more more complex economies, and growth at that point seems to accelerate regardless of governance, overall education, etc.

Present growth rates suggest they're overcoming the HIV problem in some fashion.

Astronomers, who are mostly real scientists, are getting pretty good correlations between climate change and solar phenomena without having to strain statistically. They have a sort of connection to the alchemists: Mechanism isn't fully understood but there does seem to be a connection between the amount of solar activity, (sunspots and "solar wind"), and the amount of cosmic radiation getting to lower atmosphere and affecting cloud formation.

The degree of solar activity seems to correlate with solar system's orbital mechanics including the sun's displacement from the solar system's centre of mass.

It seems awfully empirical and correlations only imply causes but astronomers can calculate positions forward and backward in time and correlate those with historical and geological climate records. Kinda hand wavy at this stage, but it's got more cred for me than CO2 as climate forcer.
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Old 12th March 2012, 04:04 AM   #118
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Nope, it was the "Global Cooling" Crowd, actually. Anyone still remember these pseudo-scientist on TV spouting off how the world would be in a new Ice age in ten years or so?

Basically the same kind of FUD Mongers who are now "Global Warming", no doubt when their current bad science falls apart they will find another cause celebre by which to spread FUD...

Actually, they are already back-pedalling, by calling it now "global climate change" which conveniently covers all exigencies, as the only reliably known thing about the earth climate is that it changes, rather than being constant...

Ciao T

Global climate change is real , spring , summer , autumn , winter ....
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Old 12th March 2012, 07:47 AM   #119
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Global climate change is real , spring , summer , autumn , winter ....
Agreed.

Out here, we don't really have any springs or automns, they have been compressed to about two weeks' worth.

When I was a kid, snow used to fall about mid to end of December, and it didn't thaw before the end of February. My son, born in 1986, hasn't had more than three days' worth of snow in his life.

Summer temperatures used to be around 31-33 degrees centigrade, today 36 is the norma, and we do get peaks of 41 and even 42 degrees. In 1998, a heat wave hit Greece just when we (wife, son and me) were there, and even if the government didn't want to call it an emergency because it would stop all work, it did hit 45 or 46 degrees.

We can argue why is the climate changing, but it's damn obvious that it has changed.
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Old 12th March 2012, 09:50 AM   #120
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Well the sun is solar flaring us to death and to think they made me sell my Hummer...

Bastards ....
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