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Old 11th January 2013, 06:28 AM   #8041
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fallacy? how? what you're saying basically contradicts Fletcher-Munson.
Heck neighbor, you're not going to let the facts stand in the way?
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Old 11th January 2013, 06:40 AM   #8042
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Wayne, even with a supremely linear speaker with an ultra tight frequency tolerance, at low level the bass will subjectively be underwhelmed. It will be there, but will seem to be at a lower SPL than the midrange.Ditto for treble, although to a somewhat lesser level.

Because you have no idea what a customer may be listening to and under which circumstances, it's best to have the loudness as a level control, from OFF/Defeat to an arguable maximum. Perhaps not a perfect arrangement, but I can't think of a better one.

By way of illustration, what I find to be appropriate for me is on the "8" mark of my Marantz preamp, but is only "6" on a typical Yamaha integrated amp. Different takes, but happily, both adjustable. Most fixed switch Off/On loudness controls typically either fall short or overshoot the mark, according to my taste, even if they all use the volume pot center tap.

Lastly, some manufacturers (e.g. Kenwood/Trio) choose to provide only bass boost, which is unacceptable to me, I feel this debalances the overall sound, and much as I dearly love deep, clean and powerfull bass, too much of anything will usually spoil the show.
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Old 12th January 2013, 08:28 PM   #8043
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Heck neighbor, you're not going to let the facts stand in the way?
I did explain my position ....

Anyway , over the last few weeks we have lost two , Bongiorno and David Manley. CLass-D may win by default at this rate .....
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Anyway , over the last few weeks we have lost two , Bongiorno and David Manley. CLass-D may win by default at this rate .....
I have always wondered what makes a mature person expect to read on a public forum only things they agree with.
do you in real life break contact with all acquaintances that didn't vote for the same person? that would be really weird.
not to mention that the thread has moved from class D meanwhile.
and not to mention that you mentioned class D in reply to a post by dvv which had nothing to do with class D.
well...
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Old 12th January 2013, 08:58 PM   #8045
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Not sure what you mean ,
Do i look like that person, am I only communicating with such individuals.. you sound class-d pun-sensitive Mr PP, we are equal opportunity around here, we take a poke at everyone and everything .... ?


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Old 12th January 2013, 09:09 PM   #8046
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you mentioned people leaving because class D was mentioned.
in all honesty, if someone just packs their things and leaves at the slightest disagreement, I'm sure Internet is not for them.
like I said (and the edit timeout of that post expired long time ago so it's scripta manent) I agree that they have they problems, I wasn't even praising them.
so, you mentioning people leaving because of it simply reads like "I don't like the subject and look, my friends left too". there's really not other way to read it.
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Old 12th January 2013, 09:41 PM   #8047
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you mentioned people leaving because class D was mentioned.
in all honesty, if someone just packs their things and leaves at the slightest disagreement, I'm sure Internet is not for them.
like I said (and the edit timeout of that post expired long time ago so it's scripta manent) I agree that they have they problems, I wasn't even praising them.
so, you mentioning people leaving because of it simply reads like "I don't like the subject and look, my friends left too". there's really not other way to read it.
Mr PP,

Sorry for the confusion, I meant Left us, as in they have left the planet, passed on , dead .....

Jim Bongiorno (Sumo, Theta, etc)
David Manley ( Manley labs, VTL)

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I feel like such a retard.
I have no idea how the Stereophile article on Mr. Manley (I know who he was) passing away slipped my mind. I thought he was a member here.
I apologize for that.
the choice of words did seem a bit weird but then you mentioned class D, I didn't know what to make of it. sorry.
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