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Old 6th June 2012, 02:14 AM   #6081
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Where you get that idea is beyond me.
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Old 6th June 2012, 02:53 AM   #6082
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Unfortunately, Wavebourn, he doesn't respect us after having a 'terrific time with both of us'. So typical. '-)
Probably his image in your monitor does not respect us. In my monitor he is nice and fluffy.
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Old 6th June 2012, 06:55 AM   #6083
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Probably his image in your monitor does not respect us. In my monitor he is nice and fluffy.
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Old 6th June 2012, 03:33 PM   #6084
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Not in the Lab, in the kitchen, in an oversight of mine, he ate a couple of ceramic capacitors, a piezoelectric resonator, a piece of PCB, some plastic ...

I'm home alone, when my wife returned, she would kill me !

Plan B: go to the workshop, bring another remote, when she used, I will tell as I tell my clients, I'll check on Monday.
I hope Pepe the parrot says nothing.
I do not think she notices the difference.

If you do not see me anymore around here... she noticed the difference.
Just on the dog thing for a moment..I spent 2 days building a preamp on some fiberglass vero board...went out to get some more components...when I came back it was gone?????

Then I found it with a half eaten ceramic tea pot behind a chair...the dog had chewed it up, broken the board and I had to search for some time to find some missing pieces....It still begs the question why does a tea pot looks like and tastes like food with a circuit board sandwich? Teeth marks into the electrolytics....Only ever happened once I put the parts in a box now..LOL

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Old 6th June 2012, 05:25 PM   #6085
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Just on the dog thing for a moment..I spent 2 days building a preamp on some fiberglass vero board...went out to get some more components...when I came back it was gone?????

Then I found it with a half eaten ceramic tea pot behind a chair...the dog had chewed it up, broken the board and I had to search for some time to find some missing pieces....It still begs the question why does a tea pot looks like and tastes like food with a circuit board sandwich? Teeth marks into the electrolytics....Only ever happened once I put the parts in a box now..LOL

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Old 7th June 2012, 06:41 PM   #6086
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I'm curious, could someone give me an example where they made a change to a component which improved the sound and they were unable to measure any change? Half of audio enthusiasts like to say you can't measure everything in audio. If unmeasurable changes are so prevalent in audio then it should be easy to find examples where 2 components, using the same design but different parts measure identically in every way yet sound different.

Our ears are some of the most sensitive tools we have, unfortunately the data it gives us can be obfuscated by our mind's drive to meet other needs. That doesn't mean that they aren't an useful tool.

I have not heard an audio system that measured very well and sounded bad. I have heard systems that measured bad that sounded good. That means 2 things. One, maybe we are measuring the wrong things or looking at the wrong measurements to make our judgements. Two, Maybe we are interpreting the data incorrectly.

The truth is that both objective and subjective experiences can be true and bridged, most audiophiles and engineers don't want this to happen for reasons that have nothing to do with audio. It is a shame really as this rift is what has stunted hi-fi development. The more we as a community can bridge that gap, the more we can show that there is real science behind "true" high end audio and it's not a bunch of snake oil being sold to people with more money then sense.
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That means 2 things. One, maybe we are measuring the wrong things or looking at the wrong measurements to make our judgements. Two, Maybe we are interpreting the data incorrectly.
Or three, we can measure things that are actually important (e.g., distortion, phase, frequency response) much more precisely than our ears can distinguish. I'm admittedly one of those crusty reactionaries who believe that good and comprehensive measurements are vital to a designer and fairly meaningless to a consumer.
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DJNUBS;

when making changes to improve it is a totally different story. When I improve something I can't measure directly I construct an experiment that pushes the effect beyond normal conditions, so it is well measurable, then extrapolate.
The different story is, when people try to invent some generalized measurements to test _all_ available topologies for sound quality. It is impossible because number of errors can be enormous compared to number of standard measurements. It is even hard to invent standard tests for most common opamp topology to predict how one amp should better sound than other.
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I'm admittedly one of those crusty reactionaries who believe that good and comprehensive measurements are vital to a designer and fairly meaningless to a consumer.
Count me too. And add great number of real _designers_ who know what they design.
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I'm curious, could someone give me an example where they made a change to a component which improved the sound and they were unable to measure any change?
Yes, I have a test switch for A/B/X x 3 comparisons and everyone can spot position #1 no matter what it is switching. I have not been able to measure what is the exact difference in that position as compared to the others.
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