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Old 9th February 2012, 03:36 AM   #2081
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I still did not get your point.
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Old 9th February 2012, 04:12 AM   #2082
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It was meant as a joke, same as to TL, his response was as such , yours ..... I guess i must have hit a nerve
Not so much a nerve. But I have a LOT of Solid State background and I do NOT need you to tell me "hasn't had time to appreciate Solid State".

In that you are combining claims that I only like/use tubes because I do not know solid state gear (and hidden that I would change my preference as soon as I did). That's a bit beyond the pale and neither ironic nor funny.

Had you said: "TL is the tooob before transistors guy, after trying more sh.. than he cares to remember" I would not mind at all...

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Old 9th February 2012, 04:15 AM   #2083
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I still did not get your point.
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What's sensitive in something that I badly want, but can't afford?!

So i guess that either you can afford and has such a jewel or that
you simply dont need one....
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Old 9th February 2012, 04:21 AM   #2084
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Old 9th February 2012, 04:23 AM   #2085
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Old 9th February 2012, 04:28 AM   #2086
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What you guys would say about such measurement approach:
1) suppose one can use low-noise 24bit-192kHz analog to digital transducer (or better)
2) one can use top quality vinyl recordings of symphonic orchestra, and corresponding RIAA preamp
3) one digitizes with maximum precision 1 sec part of orchestra sound signal from RIAA
4) one uses special soft to characterize in "proper" manner this digital replica, for instance (to be specified in more detail later on), to interpolate the curve and calculate the number of zero values of the second derivative (the numer of inflection points, presumingly it is related with amount of information in musical signal)
5) similar thing is done with output signal from an amp
6) compare the "norm" value at input and output
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Old 9th February 2012, 04:29 AM   #2087
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So i guess that either you can afford and has such a jewel or that
you simply dont need one....
That one I definitely don't need.
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Old 9th February 2012, 04:30 AM   #2088
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I still did not get your point.
I believe Wahab is inferring that you suffer from Ap2 envy.

AP2 envy is suffered by those who "believe" in measurements and upon seeing the AP2 graph's in Stereophile, the JAES and other publications wish they had their own AP2 so they could fondle it, instead of having to slink off to the gents with magazine for a session of bollocks juggling.

Funny, as someone who has ready access to an AP2, I almost only use it to verify gear I know will be reviewed by Stereophile or others that use an AP2, or to do jitter analysis (it is pretty easy to generate any jitter you like). Almost anything else I can do pretty much as well using other gear including a 400 USD Soundcard and freeware software.

To be honest, I'd instantly trade the AP2 for a Tek DPO70404, if anyone was to offer...

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Old 9th February 2012, 04:49 AM   #2089
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That one I definitely don't need.
Let s say that there s way cheaper solutions....



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I believe Wahab is inferring that you suffer from Ap2 envy.

AP2 envy is suffered by those who "believe" in measurements and upon seeing the AP2 graph's in Stereophile, the JAES and other publications wish they had their own AP2 so they could fondle it, instead of having to slink off to the gents with magazine for a session of bollocks juggling.

Funny, as someone who has ready access to an AP2, I almost only use it to verify gear I know will be reviewed by Stereophile or others that use an AP2, or to do jitter analysis (it is pretty easy to generate any jitter you like). Almost anything else I can do pretty much as well using other gear including a 400 USD Soundcard and freeware software.

To be honest, I'd instantly trade the AP2 for a Tek DPO70404, if anyone was to offer...

Ciao T
Hi , TL

One would not be completely sincere if he was to say that thisis a useless gear and that our PC soundcards are enough but for sure that the beast
is largely overpriced to the point that i put it almost with high end audio
ruining tools...

IIRC this cost about 28K/30K$ , hey , i built a 160 m2 home in my
native country for just a little bit more...
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Old 9th February 2012, 04:54 AM   #2090
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You are getting close Vlad, but we still have the problem of different 24/192K converters. Apparently they sound differently, so they MUST change the signal in some way.
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