Sound Quality Vs. Measurements - Page 202 - diyAudio
Go Back   Home > Forums > Member Areas > The Lounge

The Lounge A place to talk about almost anything but politics and religion.

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 8th February 2012, 08:27 AM   #2011
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: UK
Quote:
Originally Posted by abraxalito View Post
Anyone ever wondered why?
Yes. What's your view on this?

A problem being that the CDSs actually constitute some institutions' assets, so by conspiring to ignore them and thereby render them worthless, they are undermining the system anyway..?
  Reply With Quote
Old 8th February 2012, 08:39 AM   #2012
dvv is offline dvv  Serbia
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Belgrade, Serbia
Quote:
Originally Posted by CopperTop View Post
We can't complain when we reach the logical conclusion of the system that we all supposedly benefitted from during the boom years. Most people (in the West) now think that 'normal' is for an ordinary person to have two new cars, foreign holidays whenever they want, 50 inch television in every room, spend $3300 on some pieces of wire etc. We are just seeing the logical conclusion of that unsustainable system, as it implodes. It was always going to implode.
Precisely!

It's an system of advanced autofellacio for the politicos, borrow and make the voters happy today, and let the next guy worry about debt.
  Reply With Quote
Old 8th February 2012, 08:54 AM   #2013
dvv is offline dvv  Serbia
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Belgrade, Serbia
Quote:
Originally Posted by abraxalito View Post
I have another question, related to this one. If they win their bet then where does the money come from to pay them their winnings? The people who placed insurance against their Greek bonds going belly up have yet to claim on their CDSs, despite talk being of haircuts in excess of 50%. Anyone ever wondered why?
That is a most interesting question. I think their play is to bring the euro down. Following this, there will be an interregnum before national currencies can be reinstalled, during which I think thjeir plan is to exchange their bonds and whatnot for actual manufacturing facilities, which will be stumped during that time, not really knowing the price of their own products.

In effect, a way to wihitewash realistically wortheless paper for realistically valuable facilities. Intangible to tangible, probably the dream of every such financier.

Although that doesn't explain exactly what will they do with those facilities if the world market goes to turmoil, as it necessarily must. While they are getting their act together, stable systems, like China, India, Russia et al., will profit heavily simply because they will have their products and prices much better defined.

Think of it - the worst losers of that deal will be the richest and most developed economies, such as US, German, French and others. If Germany revers to the mark, the prices of their products will be so high their current market will shrink by more than 50%, because the Spanish (with their low value peseta), Italians (with their low value lira), etc, will no longer be able to afford good but overexpensive German products. Who will the Germans sell those 2.5 million exported to Europe cars (car exports account for around 46% of Germany's total exports)?

Germany's Opel and Ford are division of USA's GM and Ford respectively; if their European branches start doing badly, they will be extension also start to do badly, and they are in a still very precarious position, so it's not inconcevable to see them being pulled down altogether.

As I see it, it's a lose-lose proposition all around, but it appears those investors have a different point of view. Suddenly radically impoverished markets are not good for trade, as I see it.
  Reply With Quote
Old 8th February 2012, 08:54 AM   #2014
dvv is offline dvv  Serbia
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Belgrade, Serbia
What is a "CDS"?
  Reply With Quote
Old 8th February 2012, 09:28 AM   #2015
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Credit default swap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
__________________
"You have a hierarchy: a mathematician, a physicist (which is a failed mathematician), and an engineer (which is a failed physicist)." - Andrew Jones
  Reply With Quote
Old 8th February 2012, 09:45 AM   #2016
wahab is offline wahab  Algeria
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: algeria/france
Quote:
Originally Posted by abraxalito View Post
I have another question, related to this one. If they win their bet then where does the money come from to pay them their winnings? The people who placed insurance against their Greek bonds going belly up have yet to claim on their CDSs, despite talk being of haircuts in excess of 50%. Anyone ever wondered why?
Their gain come from other s people losses.

When a bank sell a CDS , that is , someone buy an insurance for
his Greek bonds holdings , the bank will sell short the said bond
i a given proportion that is function (litteraly) of the bond volatility,
to cover herself from the occurence of the risk that is for her
paying the buyer the value he insured.

The more people do CDS the more the bond collapse , anyway.
  Reply With Quote
Old 8th February 2012, 10:08 AM   #2017
SY is offline SY  United States
diyAudio Moderator
 
SY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Chicagoland
Blog Entries: 1
Guys, this is verging on rules-breaking. There are a lot of good places on the Internet to discuss politico-economics. This is not one of them.
__________________
You might be screaming "No, no, no" and all they hear is "Who wants cake?" Let me tell you something: They all do. They all want cake.- Wilford Brimley
  Reply With Quote
Old 8th February 2012, 10:26 AM   #2018
dvv is offline dvv  Serbia
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Belgrade, Serbia
Quote:
Originally Posted by SY View Post
Guys, this is verging on rules-breaking. There are a lot of good places on the Internet to discuss politico-economics. This is not one of them.
My fault - I apologize.

So Wayne, what more of the PSU do you want? If you want more, swap the capacitors for still biger ones.

Mind you, there's a limit to what the full wave rectifiers can take as is, at some point you will need to put in bigger ones.
  Reply With Quote
Old 8th February 2012, 10:40 AM   #2019
BigE is offline BigE  Canada
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Toronto
I would not be so eager to put the engineer on the top of the pedestal.

David Rumelhart, the father of neural networks, graduated with a degree in psychology and mathematics in 1963.
  Reply With Quote
Old 8th February 2012, 11:31 AM   #2020
godfrey is offline godfrey  South Africa
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Cape Town
Getting back to SY's idea of using multiple Vrefs to get lower noise, it seems to me there's another way to do this. If the references are connected in parallel, instead of in series, then you get the desired noise reduction even in a voltage regulator with Thorsten's "magic cap" reducing the AC gain to unity.

E.g. The circuit below should be 6dB quieter than if a single reference were used, assuming the opamp and averaging resistors don't add too much noise themselves.
Attached Images
File Type: gif ref.GIF (3.5 KB, 98 views)
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Quality Control differences = variations in sound quality? KT Class D 3 4th June 2014 12:02 AM
Sound Card for Measurements Marik Solid State 2 2nd January 2012 08:59 PM
Sound Card Recommendations (For Audio Measurements) dchisholm Equipment & Tools 5 16th July 2011 09:40 AM
How to protect sound card during amp measurements? okapi Everything Else 13 2nd September 2008 03:06 PM
Sound cards - test and measurements jackinnj Everything Else 2 5th July 2003 03:02 PM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 12:59 AM.


vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 1999-2014 diyAudio

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2