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Old 18th January 2012, 09:45 PM   #1061
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With the third one being the worst ...? OK so better to have the random noise than for it to follow the signal as in pic 3 ...?
No, third is fine. Many like it. For the rest, random noise doesn't intermodulate, so yes.
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Old 18th January 2012, 09:51 PM   #1062
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"So, there are two possibilities here. Either the WAVAC is a perfect effects box. Or, amps like the WAVAC and the Soulution do something else right, something which still evades measurement, but which is essential in producing the most natural sound without audible artifacts."
It's amazing that the look of an amplifier has no effect on the perception of sound, nor its size, weight and price.
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Old 18th January 2012, 09:54 PM   #1063
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It's amazing that the look of an amplifier has no effect on the perception of sound, nor its size, weight and price.
Yes, it is remarkable. Equally remarkable is the lack of correlation between a good story and high ratings. Perhaps the two given choices are not the only ones.

Before speculating on yet-to-be-determined phenomena, it would be nice if someone could actually show that the $45k Soulution actually sounded any different than a $2000 Parasound or a $300 Marantz... I'm just dreaming, of course.
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Old 18th January 2012, 10:07 PM   #1064
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Yes, it is remarkable. Equally remarkable is the lack of correlation between a good story and high ratings. Perhaps the two given choices are not the only ones.

Before speculating on yet-to-be-determined phenomena, it would be nice if someone could actually show that the $45k Soulution actually sounded any different than a $2000 Parasound or a $300 Marantz... I'm just dreaming, of course.
It's indeed the whole package SY, as with any musical experience, live music most notably included. Man has a tendency to decorate and accessorize all it cherrishes in three cool categories: woman, cars and audio. For the US I would include a fourth: guns.

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Old 18th January 2012, 10:16 PM   #1065
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It does appear that Soulution Amplifiers have the measurement crown, Sound..?


What are they doing differently from Chris Hansen , who's zero NFB AYRE amplifiers do not measure near as well ..?
I suspect they have the usual creative definition of "zero" feedback. A couple of obvious thought questions. What bi-polar output stage at any bias level has a ppm level open-loop transfer function? How do you make an arrangement of bi-polar devices have a usable well defined temperature stable gain with NO feedback (which includes degeneration)?

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I have a new amp coming out-12gauge with full chokes. Beautiful crotch walnut and full engraving. Should be a real "Killer". Regards and will someone help me get my tongue out of my cheek!
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I have a new amp coming out-12gauge with full chokes. Beautiful crotch walnut and full engraving. Should be a real "Killer". Regards and will someone help me get my tongue out of my cheek!
Shouldn't that be butt walnut?
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Before speculating on yet-to-be-determined phenomena, it would be nice if someone could actually show that the $45k Soulution actually sounded any different than a $2000 Parasound or a $300 Marantz... I'm just dreaming, of course.
Stuart; I have such experience. More than year ago I bought a cheap discounted HT receiver in order to use it as a donor for DSP, for tube based home cinema. But still did not dare to damage it, use as is. It really sounds very close to vacuum tube output amp. I once had a guest in my house, who is an audiophile. We were going to take my Gubernator single ended triode amp and go to another audiophile, to try it with his nice speakers. Some record was playing through my HT system, when he come, and he asked, if it was tube amp, I said no. He said that for solid state amp it sounds too nice.
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Maybe bird's ear maple! Someone help me I CANNOT STOP THIS! Regards
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