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Old 28th September 2011, 12:10 PM   #1
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Hi All,
there are many younger, and some not so young Members, who are enrolled in Classes for Electrical and Electronics study.

Should they be treated exactly the same as other Forum Members when they pose a question?

Should we as a DIY community answer their research and homework topics as we do for other Members, or should we guide them towards the correct research to "find their own answers" to the set task?

Should these Pupils and Students have to declare their status in their profile?

I believe that students and pupils should be required to declare their status.
I further believe we should not feed them the answers that their tutor has set as "their task" to solve.

Opinions please.
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Old 28th September 2011, 12:22 PM   #2
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And how, exactly, do we police this?
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Old 28th September 2011, 12:25 PM   #3
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Hi Andrew, yes I agree. But I'd go so far as to say we should try to use the same approach for all newbies.

Rather than giving the quick fix answer (which keeps them coming back for more), some carefully posed questions to get them thinking in the right direction I think is a good approach.

Obviously if someones asking the sort of question that shows that they have thought about it and are just seeking confirmation that they have come to the right conclusion that's a different story.

I've found that the best teachers have always been the ones that don't spoon feed, or simply give the answers, but instead give the right stimulus to allow the student to work it out for themselves.

I try to do it sometimes, but it is all to easy to be helpful and just give the answer!

I think the disclosure thing is good (if they volunteer it), but ultimately comes down to the students honour/ethics. edit: crossposted with pinkmouse, this line was basically alluding to his comment

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Old 28th September 2011, 12:45 PM   #4
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And how, exactly, do we police this?
let's wait and see if there is a desire.

see next post: last sentence.
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Old 28th September 2011, 12:50 PM   #5
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Yes, Newbies could have some form of declaration. I for instance am a complete Newbie when it comes to digital (and many other topics I am probably unaware of).

Would compulsory infilling of at least part of the profile be the next step to accepting any new Member beyond the read only rights' limitation we have at present?

Some while ago I proposed discussion on the idea of having a "test" for some or all of the areas in our Thread sections. Passing some or all of these "tests" would promote a Member out of Newbie status (in that test topic).
I also believe that very young Members should declare their age. Could it be all under 14's or under 16's or under xx? must declare their Date of Birth (DOB).

The compulsory questions in the profile could be supported by the Applicant's declaration that the answers are true and accurate.
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Old 28th September 2011, 12:52 PM   #6
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let's wait and see if there is a desire.
You can desire lots of things, not all are possible, and indeed, in the fulfilment, may have undesired side effects.
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Old 28th September 2011, 01:02 PM   #7
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There is already a similar thread here, but it won't be visible to everyone.

I don't think a declaration in the Profile would work, as we generally don't check it, and it might change anyway. Also, a student might ask questions about their hobby too. No, all that is needed is a request that they declare the origin of their question at the time they pose it rather than waiting for us to deduce that it is homework. There are some telltale features of a typical student question, but I won't say what they are as I don't want to give the game away!

It cannot be effectively policed, but it could be mentioned in the Rules or Q&A. Just a request that students asking about assignments or project work declare this, and accept that we will happily aid their understanding but not do their work for them. There could be some small penalty for students who flout the rule, but I leave that to the mods to argue about.
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Old 28th September 2011, 01:05 PM   #8
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There is already a similar thread here, but it won't be visible to everyone.
I do not have permission to access that page/thread/or whatever.
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Old 28th September 2011, 01:18 PM   #9
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Andrew you have an email

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Old 28th September 2011, 01:22 PM   #10
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Isn't it better to provide information as easily as possible, such that they in the end know the answer and can learn from it?

( btw I'm a student though not in electronics, computer science here )

One of my professors in math class had this philosophy when giving home assignments: He didn't care if a student's friend solved the problem for them if they afterwards understood the solution and could reproduce it.
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