Big Brother was a piker...

thaumaturge · 1st September 2011, 02:10 AM

Things have gotten absolutely absurd. I was just turned away by the Utah State DMV unable to renew my expired drivers license due to insufficient documentation. I had with me:
1. My expired State Photo drivers license. (Bearing my full SS#)
2. A valid US Passport (Photo bearing).
3. A laminated state health department issued birth certificate card issued for the specific purpose of ID but for some reason no longer valid for such.
4. A State vehicle registration renewal card sent by the DMV to my new address.
5. A State 1099 form from unemployment sent to my new address and showing the last four digits of my SS#.
6. A current automobile insurance certificate clearly listing my new address.

I was turned away because I have to possess a government copy of my Social Security card and a full sized state issued birth certificate. They would also preffer that I had recent utility bills addressed to my new address... good luck with that; I have no utilities connected to my new address. None!

My photo is on record with the DMV. I had a valid passport with me. WTF?

DOC

Pano · 1st September 2011, 02:17 AM

Even bureaucrats can be idiots.

DigitalJunkie · 1st September 2011, 02:18 AM

Welcome to life post 9/11.

I was planning a trip to Canada a while ago.They wanted me to have "OVER 9000" different forms of ID in order to let me back into the US -*In addition to* my passport.

Odd,since I had to show all sorts of ID,fingerprints,etc. to get the passport in the first place! Isn't that the POINT of a passport?

*shakes head*

Don't even get me started on the DMV. They don't know their *** from a hole in the ground.

DF96 · 1st September 2011, 11:26 AM

I thought it was only in Europe we have this sort of nonsense. Completely barmy, because bad people intending us harm are mainly interested in hiding their intentions rather than their identities.

SY · 1st September 2011, 12:14 PM

It's a state by state deal. Here in Texas, all I needed was my passport (in lieu of my certified birth certificate) and California driver's license. FWIW, I still have my student ID card from University of Utah!

None of this nonsense will actually stop any bad guys, but everyone will at least know that Big Brother is concerned. I'll stop there before I get political.

jlsem · 1st September 2011, 01:45 PM

And to renew in Texas all you need is your old DL and proof of insurance...

They try real hard in this state to make up for the summer weather.

John

jackinnj · 1st September 2011, 02:08 PM

I have a "vintage" SS card from when I got for my first job (when Kennedy was Prez!) -- it says right on it "Not for Identification"!

I wonder if I can use my Millburn Pool card.

Article in the NYTimes this week said that SS Cards for kids are most problematic for identity theft. If you have a credit history, employment history it's much more difficult to fake than a recently minted child.

Pano · 1st September 2011, 02:13 PM

India is working very hard on the ID problem. See Aadhaar. Soon to be the largest database on Earth. Biometrics on 1.2 billion citizens. All you'll need is your eyes and your fingertips.

thaumaturge · 1st September 2011, 07:09 PM

Oh I've got a pretty good idea what is going on here. Utah lawmakers bought into the every slip of paper we can force on the puplic routine for the specific reason of raising more revenue. That full copy of birth certificate puts an extra $18 in the state coffers for every driver who has lost theirs and is up for renewal.
Utah legislature doesn't miss many tricks like that. I was born and raised here so I've seen it all my life save my 10yr hiatus to Silicon Valley. It just gets old at times. But I did fire off pretty much the same post to my senator, congressman, govenor and local non-party line newspaper. Just to register the fact that I was peeved.

Doc

VictoriaGuy · 1st September 2011, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DigitalJunkie

Welcome to life post 9/11.

I was planning a trip to Canada a while ago.They wanted me to have "OVER 9000" different forms of ID in order to let me back into the US -*In addition to* my passport.

Odd,since I had to show all sorts of ID,fingerprints,etc. to get the passport in the first place! Isn't that the POINT of a passport?

*shakes head*

The 'They' was US Border authorities, I assume.
Strange- I've never been asked for anything but my passport to enter the US, and I'm an 'alien' to y'all.

1st September 2011, 02:10 AM	#1
thaumaturge diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Utah	Big Brother was a piker... Things have gotten absolutely absurd. I was just turned away by the Utah State DMV unable to renew my expired drivers license due to insufficient documentation. I had with me: 1. My expired State Photo drivers license. (Bearing my full SS#) 2. A valid US Passport (Photo bearing). 3. A laminated state health department issued birth certificate card issued for the specific purpose of ID but for some reason no longer valid for such. 4. A State vehicle registration renewal card sent by the DMV to my new address. 5. A State 1099 form from unemployment sent to my new address and showing the last four digits of my SS#. 6. A current automobile insurance certificate clearly listing my new address. I was turned away because I have to possess a government copy of my Social Security card and a full sized state issued birth certificate. They would also preffer that I had recent utility bills addressed to my new address... good luck with that; I have no utilities connected to my new address. None! My photo is on record with the DMV. I had a valid passport with me. WTF? DOC __________________ Ne timeas a facie mulierum ea ignorare

1st September 2011, 12:14 PM	#5
SY diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chicagoland Blog Entries: 1	It's a state by state deal. Here in Texas, all I needed was my passport (in lieu of my certified birth certificate) and California driver's license. FWIW, I still have my student ID card from University of Utah! None of this nonsense will actually stop any bad guys, but everyone will at least know that Big Brother is concerned. I'll stop there before I get political. __________________ If there's a sucker born every minute, where do the rest of them come from?

1st September 2011, 07:09 PM	#9
thaumaturge diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Utah	Oh I've got a pretty good idea what is going on here. Utah lawmakers bought into the every slip of paper we can force on the puplic routine for the specific reason of raising more revenue. That full copy of birth certificate puts an extra $18 in the state coffers for every driver who has lost theirs and is up for renewal. Utah legislature doesn't miss many tricks like that. I was born and raised here so I've seen it all my life save my 10yr hiatus to Silicon Valley. It just gets old at times. But I did fire off pretty much the same post to my senator, congressman, govenor and local non-party line newspaper. Just to register the fact that I was peeved. Doc __________________ Ne timeas a facie mulierum ea ignorare

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Pano diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: North Carolina Blog Entries: 4	Even bureaucrats can be idiots.

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DigitalJunkie diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Portland,Oregon Blog Entries: 4	Welcome to life post 9/11. I was planning a trip to Canada a while ago.They wanted me to have "OVER 9000" different forms of ID in order to let me back into the US -In addition to my passport. Odd,since I had to show all sorts of ID,fingerprints,etc. to get the passport in the first place! Isn't that the POINT of a passport? shakes head Don't even get me started on the DMV. They don't know their *** from a hole in the ground.

1st September 2011, 11:26 AM	#4
DF96 diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2007	I thought it was only in Europe we have this sort of nonsense. Completely barmy, because bad people intending us harm are mainly interested in hiding their intentions rather than their identities.

1st September 2011, 01:45 PM	#6
jlsem diyAudio Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dallas,TX	And to renew in Texas all you need is your old DL and proof of insurance... They try real hard in this state to make up for the summer weather. John

1st September 2011, 02:08 PM	#7
jackinnj diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Llanddewi Brefi, NJ	I have a "vintage" SS card from when I got for my first job (when Kennedy was Prez!) -- it says right on it "Not for Identification"! I wonder if I can use my Millburn Pool card. Article in the NYTimes this week said that SS Cards for kids are most problematic for identity theft. If you have a credit history, employment history it's much more difficult to fake than a recently minted child.

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Pano diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: North Carolina Blog Entries: 4	India is working very hard on the ID problem. See Aadhaar. Soon to be the largest database on Earth. Biometrics on 1.2 billion citizens. All you'll need is your eyes and your fingertips.

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