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Old 28th August 2003, 02:06 PM   #11
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It's interesting that the news outlets have accepted the spin and looked at it as a church/state issue, when it seems to me to be more of a fair-trial issue. When I testify in court, I always ask to take a secular oath, and that's gotten me some definite dark glares from judges. I would certainly expect to be treated roughly in Moore's courtroom because of my own religious beliefs (or, in my case, non-beliefs).
I hate to say this, SY, but if the story emerged with your spin, the polls would show 99 out of 100 Americans would be against the removal. The rights of atheists or agnostics is not an effective rallying cry in American public life. You might make some headway with the approach of wanting to worshop God your own way-which is the reason the Pilgrims came to America.



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Moore is at least honest enough to advertise his prejudices.
Or so arrogant that he thinks he doesn't even have to pay lip service to constitutional guarantees against establishment of religion.

I often wonder why people put so much stock in people who are out to get you being honest about it. Would things really be better if every ethnic or sexual slur that someone might think of saying is allowed in official settings?
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Old 28th August 2003, 02:09 PM   #12
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I always wondered how that judge would feel if he were on trial, walked into the courtroom to find his judge dressed as a Mullah, with a huge crescent/star, a prayer rug, and a plaque with "Allah'u'akhbar" engraved on it. Would he think that he'd be in for a fair trial in front of an impartial jurist?

Arnold passes my phone-book test, i.e., my contention that any name randomly selected out of the phone book would likely do a better job than our current governer. He did have a really good quote about why he left Europe- "Eighteen year olds are already talking about their pensions."
If I were to be unfortunate enough to go before a judge in an Islamic country I would expect to see just that. For some reason though the "In God We Trust" printed on our money doesn't seem to offend very many people. Images of God do not appear on the Lady of justice that represent our justice system and images or not you can't erase the beliefs of the judge. Would you rather know them or have him hide them from your view?
We have a freedom of religion in this country, or so it would seem we are supposed to, but when one religion forces another to take down their stuff then is that still a freedom? Muslim women wear their hajib's in public, do you think we could force them not to wear them? They are a religious symbol. If we all would mind our own business and stop worrying about things that don't affect us the news wire would be a little quieter.


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Old 28th August 2003, 02:20 PM   #13
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If I were to be unfortunate enough to go before a judge in an Islamic country I would expect to see just that.
So would I. And I'd be expected to be treated poorly, being a descendant of the "pigs and monkeys" talked about in the Qu'ran. That's one of the things that I feel is superior about Western secular culture. Moore disagrees; he believes that it's OK because his invisible guy is better than the Mullah's invisible guy.

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I hate to say this, SY, but if the story emerged with your spin, the polls would show 99 out of 100 Americans would be against the removal.
Too true. But the majority of American would also toss out the Bill or Rights if you put it to a vote. Democracy has its limits
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Old 28th August 2003, 02:25 PM   #14
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Apparently this clown hasn't bothered actually reading those Ten Commandments that are carved on that stone monument he's fighting so hard to keep ensconsed in the courthouse.
In a related and widely distributed document it says (from memory) "He has given his law to Jacob, his judicial decision to Israel. He has done that way to no other nation". These Ten Commandments were part of a law that was given to one single country only not to all and sundry. Does he intend to enforce observance of the sabbath day? Hmmmm...
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I've moved this thread to Off Topic, where it more clearly belongs.

Fun discussion, guys!
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When I'm appointed judge, I will have Genesis 9:21 engraved on my courtroom wall.

And then have a plaque with Genesis 19:31-36; after all, Alabama IS in the Deep South.
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Old 28th August 2003, 02:53 PM   #17
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When I'm appointed judge, I will have Genesis 9:21 engraved on my courtroom wall.

And then have a plaque with Genesis 19:31-36; after all, Alabama IS in the Deep South.
I believe Moore was elected. I think the other judges are appointed, but the Chief Judge is elected.

That might be part of the situation. Moore has certainly been acting the part of politician here. According to some news reports, even some people who agree with him generally have begun to back off because of the way he went about this from the beginning.

According to the accounts I read, everyone was against him putting it up in the first place. He and two friends moved it up to it's place overnight, when nobody could see. Combine that with Moore's statements that the monument simply cannot be moved logistically-when he and two others moved it up themselves without any heavy equipment-and he looks less and less like a messenger of God and more and more like a guy building himself up as a poster boy in preparation for a political future.

Moving something under the cover of darkness. Who would do such a thing? I know-the Baltimore Colts. You remember that, SY?
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Who would do such a thing? I know-the Baltimore Colts. You remember that, SY?
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That might be part of the situation.
If you define "part" as including "99%," I'd agree with you.
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I've moved this thread to Off Topic, where it more clearly belongs.
Sorry 'bout that. I overlooked the "Off Topic" forum and took "Everything Else" to mean well, everything else.

By the way, are Off Topic threads not shown shown in the thread list on the main page or is this an anomaly of having moved the thread?

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