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JoeDJ 14th June 2011 04:15 AM

Value of original '69 Woodstock program?
 
Does anyone happen to know the value of an original Woodstock program?

It's definatly original as I had it since '69 and it came directly from Allen Markoff, the designer of the Woodstock sound system.
It is in almost pristine conndition.

Ron E 15th June 2011 01:30 AM

one in not quite perfect condition sold on ebay recently for $52

JoeDJ 15th June 2011 02:11 AM

^
Are you sure it was an original?
Limited editions of reproductions that were issued a few years ago are going for about $60

The is a definate difference in the content and qualty (and value) between an original and a repo.

heinz1 19th June 2011 08:13 AM

Are you familiar with popsike? You can search this website for auction results of valuable records.

According to popsike, a program was sold for $30 in 2009:

popsike.com - woodstock program - searchresults - rare vinyl records auction results

JoeDJ 19th June 2011 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heinz1 (Post 2611154)
Are you familiar with popsike? You can search this website for auction results of valuable records.

According to popsike, a program was sold for $30 in 2009:

popsike.com - woodstock program - searchresults - rare vinyl records auction results

That is the Woodstock "movie" program.
I'm refering the the Woodstock concert program which are very rare.
http://www.celticguitarmusic.com/Programcontents.htm

Most were never distributed and the bulk of them were plowed under at the site after the concert.
Mine came from Allen Markoff who was the local audio pro/high end audio dealer who designed the Woodstock sound system.
(He also sold me my first high end sys.)

The last I heard was about 10 years ago and they were going for well over $300.


Some lesser known facts about the concert.....



Cancelled Acts
  1. Jeff Beck Group (The band broke up in July, forcing cancellation)
  2. Iron Butterfly (Stuck at the airport, their manager demanded helicopters and special arrangements just for them. Were wired back and told, as impolitely as Western Union would allow, "to get lost", but in other 'words'.)
  3. Joni Mitchell (Joni's agent put her on "The Dick Cavett Show" instead)
  4. Lighthouse (Feared that it would be a "bad scene".)
  5. Ethan Brown (Arrested for LSD three days before the event.)
Declined Invitations
  1. The Beatles (John Lennon said he couldn't get them together)
  2. Led Zeppelin (Got a higher paying gig at the Asbury Park Convention Hall in New Jersey that weekend)
  3. Bob Dylan (Turned it down because of his disgust of the hippies hanging around his house)
  4. The Byrds (Turned it down because of a melee during their performance at the first Atlanta International Pop Festival, held at the Atlanta International Raceway on July 4 and July 5, 1969)
  5. Tommy James & the Shondells (Turned it down because of being misinformed about the size and scope of the event)
  6. Jethro Tull (Turned it down because they thought it wouldn't be a big deal.)
  7. The Moody Blues were included in the original posters as performers, but backed out after taking a gig in Paris on the same weekend.
  8. Spirit (they had other shows planned and did not want to back out of their commitments; not knowing how big that Woodstock would ultimately become)
  9. Mind Garage (Declined because they thought it wouldn't be a big deal and had a higher paying gig elsewhere)

joann1108 10th July 2011 03:07 AM

Reprinted programs were made available in 1989, with the purchase of the MFSL-four LP Woodstock Sountrack
Reprints are worth about $45

On the original, the "f" in the word "of" sits directly in a sunflower bud. The first and last pages are a thin, opaque onion skin like parchment. Almost every glossy image with a black background has little white dot imperfections. On the Grateful Dead 2 page, spread has the same clarity on both pages and the reprints are washed out looking.
Originals are worth about $130


And Allen Markoff may have been the local audio pro/high end audio dealer, but it was Bill Hanley who designed, built and operated the sound system at Woodstock '69. He's know as "The Father of Festival Sound"
Bill Hanley - The Father of Festival Sound

JoeDJ 16th July 2011 09:41 PM

Well since I had it since 1969 I do belive it's safe to say it's an original. ;)
Also, I'm very familure on how to disinguish copys from originals.

As far as Alen Markoff, there does seem to be a contoversy about who actually designed the sound sys.
Even the founding promotors of Woodstock have credited Markoff for designing it through the years and there are many sites on the net that do also.
It might be that both men had a hand in it.
Bill Hanely did operate it as Markoff had a buisnees to run and nobody thought it would turn ot to be all it was.

Anyway Makoff was the first guy the promoters contacted for the chore.
Markoff was more than an audio dealer. He was the only local resident listed in the Audio Engineering Society Magazine... "Who's who" of audio engineres

Also in '69, he marketed "Hutz-Markoff Theater Vsion" which problaby was about the first self contained prejection TV marketed in the US..... one that did not need a sperate screen
He was a business man who loved high end audio.
My wife actully worked for him brifely as a secretary during that period and this is how I obtained the program.

Worth $130? It's probably the economy. A few years ago, they were going for over $600. :)

JoeDJ 16th July 2011 10:22 PM

A C&P of relevant events from local historians:

"The residents of Wallkill had heard of hippies, drugs and rock concerts, and after the Woodstock advertising hit The New York Times, The Times Herald-Record and the radio stations, local residents knew that a three-day rock show, maybe the biggest ever, was coming. Besides, Woodstock Venture's employees sure looked like hippies. In the minds of many people, long hair and shabby clothes were associated with left-wing politics and drug use. The new ideas about re-ordering society were threatening to many people. In Wallkill, those feelings were unleashed upon Mills and his family. Residents would stop Mills at church to complain. Ventures tried to head off some of the complaints by hiring Wes Pomeroy, a former top assistant at the Justice Department, to head the security detail. A minister, the Rev. Donald Ganoung, was put on the payroll to head up local relations.

Allan Markoff watched the two freaks walk into his store in late April or early May. They were Lang and his buddy, Stan Goldstein. Goldstein, 35, had been one of the organizers of the 1968 Miami Pop Festival. For Woodstock, he was coordinator of campgrounds. "They wanted me to design a sound system for 50,000 or so people," said Markoff, who owned the only stereo store in Middletown, the Audio Center on North Street. "They said there could even be 100,000, might even go to 150,000."

He thought Lang and Goldstein were nuts. "There had never been a concert with 50,000; that was unbelievable," Markoff said. "Now, 100,000, that was impossible. It's tantamount to doing a sound system for 30 million people today." Markoff, then 24, was the only local resident listed in the Audio Engineering Society Magazine. Lang and Goldstein had picked his name out of the magazine; suddenly, Markoff was responsible for gathering sound gear for the greatest show on earth. He remembers one characteristic of the sound system. At the amplifier's lowest setting, the Woodstock speakers would cause pain for anyone standing within 10 feet.

Markoff had doubts about the sanity of the venture until he saw the promoters' office in a barn on the Mills' land. "That's when I saw all these people on these phones, with a switchboard," Markoff said. "When I saw that, I said, 'Hey, this could really happen."


BTW, Wallkill, NY (a suburb of Middletown, NY in Orange county) was the original planned site for the concert but the deal fell through and they went to Sullivan county and contacted Max Yasguer.

JoeDJ 18th July 2011 11:42 PM

After more reaserch, it seems that Markoff chose and shipped the basic components (amps speakers etc) to Bethel and Hanely was the one who actually physically assembed all the components and decided their placement.

So, who actually designed it? It would seem that both guys played a key part in its design. After all, a great sound sys starts with great components.

BTW this goes to show how details can be lost in history.:)

joann1108 19th July 2011 03:29 PM

Yes, details do get lost over time and I want to thank you for pointing all of this out to me.
I do have a website which details the efforts that pursued the historic preservation of the original Woodstock Site - exactly for that reason. The website also includes a Gallery with a whole lot of this's and that's, and my intention now is to go back and include Mr. Markoff.
Thank you for this information and for your time.
Joanne


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