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Old 2nd May 2011, 02:17 AM   #11
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Oh really? So what's the evidence then that Randi's better equipped than trained scientists in this instance?
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Old 2nd May 2011, 02:40 AM   #12
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Really.
Maybe a $10000 check in his pocket?
I'm honestly not familiar with "water memory" or this particular instance. Houdini, Gardner, Randi, Penn & Teller... there's a history of magicians who are superbly qualified to investigate the extraordinary. Because the extraordinary is their livelihood. They are expert professionals at it, if not "scientists".

The thread title caught my eye; logic is not the opposite of emotion. Maybe if you live on Vulcan it is. Also, this devolves very quickly into philosophy, politics, and religion. I find it inappropriate for the fun-loving diyAudio forums.
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I'm honestly not familiar with "water memory" or this particular instance. Houdini, Gardner, Randi, Penn & Teller... there's a history of magicians who are superbly qualified to investigate the extraordinary.
So they're the best people here to investigate your extraordinary claim then - that's the one which says scientists aren't the best ones to investigate this kind of thing. I'm gonna get my hat....
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Aw – what the heck – let’s toss in some discussion on using statistics to support the discussion (I know statistics – well about 98% of the time +/- 3%) and for the stuff we can’t prove we can use some propositional calculus to predict juz about anything. I promise you that by the time you get finished explaining how you came to your conclusions that most people will either be asleep – at the bar – or jumping off of the roof.

Or we can us our own practical experiments with discussions about tube amps vs. SS – any number of speaker cables vs. other types of speaker cables – interconnections – 44.1 Khz @ 16 bits vs. 192 @ 24 bits – and soooooo it goes.

Me – I’m gonna go listen to some music – and I’m not even gonna give you a clue about the sample rate and bit depth.
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So they're the best people here to investigate your extraordinary claim then - that's the one which says scientists aren't the best ones to investigate this kind of thing. I'm gonna get my hat....
There's nothing outlandish about my statements. Nor is it much of a secret.

Don't know much about statistics. I know what Disraeli said of them.
I'm gonna turn it up and think of something else.
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Also, this devolves very quickly into philosophy, politics, and religion. I find it inappropriate for the fun-loving diyAudio forums.
Hey! Arguing is one of my MANY forms of enjoyment.
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Pop a Fosters Mate - NO Worries!!!! Damn - I juz luv the kids from Oz and the Brits! I'm not being funny either - I've worked and lived with many - goooooood folks! Annnnd a good argument (or should I say a subject that is being thoroughly discussed) is considered "good form" and expected to be returned in kind. Very much like bartering for goods is expected in many parts of the world - it's just the way it is.
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