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Old 23rd August 2013, 10:15 AM   #2441
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Duh.. wow pays these studies?
Depends on the study; I only consider those in peer-reviewed and refereed literature, with full disclosure of methods, sources, and data. White paper marketing tools from companies selling products and from so-called non-profits trying to raise funds are not terribly reliable.

Here in the US, the largest funder of actual research is the USDA.
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Old 23rd August 2013, 10:19 AM   #2442
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I agree, it is very difficult to get the real facts. Lots of lobbying at all levels..
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Just as personal anecdote, most of the crop identifier signs I've seen in corn fields (Iowa, Illinois, where it's serious business) were Dekalb.
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Just as personal anecdote, most of the crop identifier signs I've seen in corn fields (Iowa, Illinois, where it's serious business) were Dekalb.
No surprise, actually my bigest problem with Monsanto is their abuse (IMNSHO) of the legal system.
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It's epidemic.
I just learned that since 1998 Dekalb is a Monsanto trademark. d'oh!
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It's epidemic.
I just learned that since 1998 Dekalb is a Monsanto trademark. d'oh!
This will all be moot, Monsanto has one patent expired 2011 and a second in 2014 and supposedly announced that the worst of their behavior will end (not that they put it that way). I didn't realize how few crops have GMO versions either.

I wonder what will happen with no royalties and free seed reuse.
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I heard the american farmers are not taken into general US population statistics anymore.
About 2.5% of the US workforce is employed in farming.

My "ciotka" had a farm which is now a cloverleaf on I-77! It was a hard life. Lending money to farmers mostly leads to bad outcomes. In the late 1970's the US Federal Ag Banks allowed loans on the inflated value of land -- it was a pre-cursor to disaster just a few years later, much like the housing bubble we've just gone through.

While I am rambling on about farming -- did you guys know that the crop failure in Florida in 1926 eventually lead to the bank failures in 1929? It was like a pebble in a pond. Groucho Marx was able to make light of this in their first talkie "Coconuts" -- a film (comedy) seriously worth watching!
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This will all be moot, Monsanto has one patent expired 2011 and a second in 2014 and supposedly announced that the worst of their behavior will end (not that they put it that way). I didn't realize how few crops have GMO versions either.

I wonder what will happen with no royalties and free seed reuse.
We will have to hope there is a local shaker community to tap into.
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We will have to hope there is a local shaker community to tap into.
There are only 3 Shakers alive in the US. They had issues with the pro-creative process.
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There are only 3 Shakers alive in the US. They had issues with the pro-creative process.
Yes a strange concept sort of an analog of the terminator gene, killed by irony.
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