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Old 4th February 2011, 01:11 AM   #1
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Remember the schooldays when the Lab assistant brought in those black lungs in a jar to help the prof dissuade you from smoking?

I'm sure they are my lungs. I don't cough, I smoke filtered cigs,...I have smoked since I was 15. I smoke 20 a day.

I am 51 and I choose to smoke. Spain has just cried..Public places - No Smoking!!

I remember skiing in Vail, California in the 1980s when the local Mayor imposed No Smoking outside!!!! We laughed then. We don't laugh now.

I feel ostracised from the community when I go socialising.

Should I be????????????????????
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Old 4th February 2011, 01:24 AM   #2
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No smoking has worked out well here...but then i don't smoke.

Nicotine, followed, by alcohol are the world's most damaging drugs.

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Nicotine, followed, by alcohol are the world's most damaging drugs.
If 'drug' is redefined to mean anything addictive, then the winner is neither of the above. Its money, fiat currency. But that's OT.
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When I was in Spain a few years ago,I noticed that everyone seemed to be smoking.
I felt strange when I'd go outside to smoke,away from passers-by,just to be polite. Nobody else seemed to care about it at all.
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Ostracised? No.

Some kinds of pressure don't make it any easier to give up.

I stopped smoking tobacco about 3 years ago. A friend of mine has serious emphysema, I wanted to express some solidarity.

Last year I was diagnosed with lung cancer; oddly enough, not the kind that's associated with smoking. Now I'm in remission.

I gave up smoking dope too after the surgery, although the risks aren't as clearly defined as they are for tobacco, but I miss it in a way I don't miss the cigarettes. Every now and then I cook some up and eat it. My wife has stopped smoking now too.

Most people need a bit of a distraction every now and then from the rigors of life, there's no point in beating yourself up about it. You should stop though if you can, and if you smoke dope use a vapouriser. There's no doubt that tobacco has a long-term impact on your health, and if you meet somebody with severe emphysema you'll realise that it's not dying of smoking that's the problem, it's living with the consequences.

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Some kinds of pressure don't make it any easier to give up.
I think pressure in general will only make it harder to give up. People react - that's one of the laws of thermodynamics at work: 'If a constraint is placed upon a system...'
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I used to smoke a LOT and I stopped in November 2008. You know why I remember it was November 2008? Because I still Jones. So I can see both sides. Yes it is stupid to smoke. There is no rational argument that can be made for smoking. But no there should not be laws against it or any other drug. Personally I love second hand smoke and I encourage people to smoke around me but I can understand why many people do not want to be around it. I think banning outdoor smoking is going too far though. I do not really see how that can hurt anybody besides the smokers. Also private businesses should be able to decide if they want to allow smoking or not. If you own a bar and you want to smoke in it you should be able to. If you want to allow others to smoke in it you should be able to also. I could see having to put up a sign that says "Smoking goes on here" so the people who don't want to be exposed to second hand smoke will know before they enter.

I think the pressure made it easier for me to quit. Having to go hours at a time without smoking when I had to made it easier for me than it would have been when I didn't have to. When I started smoking I could smoke all day and all night everywhere I ever went with very few exceptions. By the time I started trying to quit there were few places I was allowed to smoke anyway.
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Remember the schooldays when the Lab assistant brought in those black lungs in a jar to help the prof dissuade you from smoking?

I'm sure they are my lungs. I don't cough, I smoke filtered cigs,...I have smoked since I was 15. I smoke 20 a day.

I am 51 and I choose to smoke. Spain has just cried..Public places - No Smoking!!

I remember skiing in Vail, California in the 1980s when the local Mayor imposed No Smoking outside!!!! We laughed then. We don't laugh now.

I feel ostracised from the community when I go socialising.

Should I be????????????????????
New York city just passed a similar law. With this , the precedent will be set - what we wear , what we eat , what propaganda we must watch. smoking is bad , but this is not the point ... ALL will be decided for us , we can not save ourselves .. we need big brother to save us.

No farting , no looking , be the same or be in jail.

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After I stopped smoking my blood pressure came down. It is still high but not as high. What that means exactly besides less chance of heart attack is less damage to your kidneys which means you will be older before you need dialysis and that is a great thing. Taking as few as possible asperin, ibupropen tylenol and stuff like that will help save your kidneys too. I used to take those every time I got a headache but now I only do when the headache is so bad I can't stand it. Actually while I can't say for sure about every single prescription and over the counter drug I believe that it is true for all or most of them. If you don't really need them don't take them. Hard pure drugs don't hurt your kidneys but the lame stuff does. A doctor told me that. He said pure heroin is not bad for your kidneys. Some drugs are metabolized in the kidneys and some in the liver. Alcohol is metabolized in the liver.

What caused me to become aware of that was a friend dying from taking too much Advil. It was not an overdose but the accumulated effect on his kidneys from doing them all the time.

I take medication to control my blood pressure and I know it is eating up my kidneys so I am doing my best to bring it down but until I do I will keep taking the medication because it is probably the lesser of two evils. At least I hope it is. One of the drugs I took for 6 years (I take 2 different ones) was taken off of the market last week. I have been putting off looking up exactly why but I will at some point. Probably kidney damage even worse than other drugs would be my guess. The drug is called Avalide.
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