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Old 21st January 2013, 12:20 AM   #101
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I've never liked his persona but I've always hoped he didn't do it.
I never liked him, and I knew he was doping, along with a lot of others. He's just such an arrogant nob, who sadly should have been caught before he won all those Tours. I feel sorry for all his ex team-mates, and all the others that were involved with him. He deserves to go down in flames.

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Old 21st January 2013, 12:40 AM   #102
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Sooo......do the sponsors now go after recovery of the money that they paid him???
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Old 21st January 2013, 12:46 AM   #103
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no-one deserves to go down in flames, not that I believe in that place of eternal punishment. I give him points for admitting his guilt.

as for money, I'm not aware of such thing ever happening. I think there are worse guys at large.
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Old 21st January 2013, 01:41 AM   #104
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The thing about the whole Lance Armstrong case is that everyone put him on a pedestal and having it knocked out from under him when everyone found out "the truth".

Truth is that doping in cycling has existed since long before Lance and will long after. Over 50% of the tour de France top 10 finishers have been caught doping. The sport allows it. When people were riding 25mph nobody cared, they wanted 40mph riders... Well there's only one way to get those kind of riders. The only difference between Lance Armstrong and the majority of the peloton is that he won, and he got caught.

If Lance was racing a bunch of other dopers, and still won, shouldnt that still make him the winner? Lol.

Whoever thought Lance wasn't cheating is nuts, and you had no business expecting cycling to be such a pure sport... Or any sport where cheating has a benefit, because if it does, someone is going to cheat... Especially when millions of dollars are involved.

He's in a lot of trouble, and he's going to have many more questions to answer, lots of money to repay, and a life to rebuild. But put yourself in the shoes of a kid in the early 20's, touted as the American Messiah of cycling, aester aliasing what it takes to cut it in this sport. I'm not defending him, I'm just saying that it wasn't a 40 year old man who made the choice, it was possibly just some naive kid who got in over his head.
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Old 21st January 2013, 01:48 AM   #105
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Truth is that doping in cycling has existed since long before Lance and will long after. Over 50% of the tour de France top 10 finishers have been caught doping. The sport allows it. When people were riding 25mph nobody cared, they wanted 40mph riders... Well there's only one way to get those kind of riders. The only difference between Lance Armstrong and the majority of the peloton is that he won, and he got caught.

If Lance was racing a bunch of other dopers, and still won, shouldnt that still make him the winner? Lol.
I have known a couple people in the sport, and truer words could not be said. Doping in cycling is akin to shaving in swimming..
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Old 21st January 2013, 04:09 AM   #106
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All the money he won he earned it. I would never allow my body to be treated in such a way - not for all the money in this world. Can't stand the sigh of blood, can't stand doctors and can't stand needles. The last doctor who tried to inject me a needle needed the help of two robust assistants.
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Well I live far from the USA, but we have our own problems in this an area of general decline as all of the wool garment makers have put their industry out to the far East.
Above, I simplyndicated that, if my informant was to be believed, drugging was rife in the cycle racing world as long ago as early1990s.
You need two things in pro cycling , air in the tires and dope, this is personal and abusive , especially since he was never caught doping and kicked out like the rats who testified against him ...

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no-one deserves to go down in flames, not that I believe in that place of eternal punishment. I give him points for admitting his guilt.

as for money, I'm not aware of such thing ever happening. I think there are worse guys at large.
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The guy beat cancer and then The worlds best dopers , this is so stupid and corrupt , where all these guys rode the guy coat tail and now this ...

7 best tours i have ever seen .....

Give them all the juice and let them loose or stop the sport since they cant effectively police it .

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Old 21st January 2013, 12:12 PM   #108
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full Oprah interview:
Lance Armstrong - Entrevista con Oprah - YouTube
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Old 21st January 2013, 12:29 PM   #109
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Disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong sued by Sunday Times for 1million to recoup libel payout | Mail Online

And a texan company who paid him $12 million for winning the TdFs is said to file papers this week.
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Old 21st January 2013, 01:42 PM   #110
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The thing about the whole Lance Armstrong case is that everyone put him on a pedestal and having it knocked out from under him when everyone found out "the truth".

Truth is that doping in cycling has existed since long before Lance and will long after. Over 50% of the tour de France top 10 finishers have been caught doping. The sport allows it. When people were riding 25mph nobody cared, they wanted 40mph riders... Well there's only one way to get those kind of riders. The only difference between Lance Armstrong and the majority of the peloton is that he won, and he got caught.

If Lance was racing a bunch of other dopers, and still won, shouldnt that still make him the winner? Lol.

Whoever thought Lance wasn't cheating is nuts, and you had no business expecting cycling to be such a pure sport... Or any sport where cheating has a benefit, because if it does, someone is going to cheat... Especially when millions of dollars are involved.
For me, this is just Hollywood. Saying that doping is cheating is no different to me than saying that breast implants in movie stars is cheating. Put your favorite bimbo on a pedestal and then find out she's completely fake. Someone will be disappointed. Of course, most of us are jaded by movie stars. So, the jading of sports heroes has begun... Thank God.

And, on the other hand, go back and watch movies from before the advent of plastic surgery. Notice the majority of women have what we would call "small" boobs. Of course, many of them wore corsets to get that wasp waist, but hey, they did what they could to look beautiful.
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