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Old 13th August 2010, 04:48 AM   #121
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I go for popcorn, SY will show us how polyethylene bag turns into a reproductive living cell, without help from any already live cell!
Just make sure he has his sleeves rolled up first
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Old 13th August 2010, 05:00 AM   #122
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Just make sure he has his sleeves rolled up first
As far as I know, SY always gives comprehensive explanations to support his claims.
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Old 13th August 2010, 05:01 AM   #123
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sing along now! "Oh you can't pass heat from the cooler to the hotter, you can try it if you like but you far better notta..."

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Old 13th August 2010, 07:57 AM   #124
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Old 13th August 2010, 11:34 AM   #125
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sing along now! "Oh you can't pass heat from the cooler to the hotter, you can try it if you like but you far better notta..."
You win the prize for simple, succint, and correct. The trolls can read chapter 44 and 45 in the Feynman Lectures.

And my dear Russio-Californian friend can read about accessible chemical and evolutionary pathways in multiple sources, starting with Mayr. There are no cat-dogs, either. Here's one for you to consider, Anatoliy: there is no chemical or physical reaction ever found, not one, zip, nada, in a living organism that violates any of the chemical or physical laws that govern all other matter.
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Old 13th August 2010, 11:48 AM   #126
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If you guys are finding things a bit dull, why not take some drugs? I can guarantee they do work, and, really, wouldn't it be better to enjoy a full-blown schizophrenic episode, get really detached from reality, instead of just piddling about with a mild dose of audiophilology?

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Yes it would be better but I think these guys only enjoy small doses. Anyway, funny mixture: we've got the armchair philosopher, the science man, the sleepy man, the man who doesn't exist... and so on.

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Anyway, funny mixture: we've got the armchair philosopher, the science man
You've got it a tad under-mixed - those 'two' are one and the same guy
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You win the prize for simple, succint, and correct. The trolls can read chapter 44 and 45 in the Feynman Lectures.

And my dear Russio-Californian friend can read about accessible chemical and evolutionary pathways in multiple sources, starting with Mayr. There are no cat-dogs, either. Here's one for you to consider, Anatoliy: there is no chemical or physical reaction ever found, not one, zip, nada, in a living organism that violates any of the chemical or physical laws that govern all other matter.
I believe that there are many books of explanations of how polyethylene can turn into a live reproductive cell, but can't you simply explain how it may start? Just for us, for Dummies!
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Old 13th August 2010, 12:34 PM   #129
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I believe that there are many books of explanations of how polyethylene can turn into a live reproductive cell, but can't you simply explain how it may start? Just for us, for Dummies!
Given your initial condition ("without any help from a live cell"), I'd love to know the books you're talking about.

Given an organic soup (not polyethylene) and an energy input, there's lots of hypothesizing about how self organization may have led to the first reproducing cells, but that aspect of science is still a rich area for discovery, and the exact pathway that occurred on prebiotic Earth may well never be known with certainty. But maybe it will.

What is perfectly well established is the total lack of any biological process that violates the basic physical and chemical laws governing all matter. Maybe someone will find one someday, but despite the close examination of millions of these processes, it hasn't happened and that's not where I'd put my money.
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