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Old 28th June 2010, 06:17 PM   #1
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Default Police not sure

Soccer violence comes to Texas:

"Around 3 a.m, police said, Rojasbahena opened fire and shot Raul Santoyo, 17, and Lewis Santoyo, 27, dead before wounding himself in the leg. The Dallas Morning News reports that Rojasbahena is being held on capital murder charges in Dallas.

It's not clear which rivalry set off the violence, but Sunday's matchups included Argentina against Mexico and England against Germany. Dallas police could not immediately be reached for comment today."

Rojasbahena sounds German to me.

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"Rojasbahena" is not a German name and I think you know that. I am not an expert but I would say it is a Hispanic/Mexican name. I don't see the connection between nationality and what has happened as violence can burst out for any dumb reason between any nationality certainly when alcohol is involved. This counts especially in countries where guns are normal in civilian homes which itself multiplies violence from fire arms a few times. Some people also support other countries teams, most often as their own countries team has lost and left the arena. If your own country is out you just choose another good playing team. In Europe that is often one of the neighboring countries.
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This counts especially in countries where guns are normal in civilian homes which itself multiplies violence from fire arms a few times.
Oh, Really?
 
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Oh, Really?
Yeah, look at all those killings in Switzerland!
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Really. Just check the crime rates of such countries with those that forbid fire arms in civilian hands. Enough said. BTW I am not connected to the NRA in any way.
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Old 28th June 2010, 07:49 PM   #6
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If USA had hooligans they would need to change gun laws. There's no real passion there for sports: it's mostly an entertainment. Europe is different but South America is the worst. A Colombian soccer player was murdered only because he played a bad game.
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Old 28th June 2010, 07:54 PM   #7
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I think he was the keeper wasn't he ? He came home and was "punished" for letting one ball slip through.

edit: it wasn't the keeper and the guy deflected the ball in his own net:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soc...p/hof/escobar/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrés_Escobar

It seems a human life has different value in some parts of the world...
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Old 28th June 2010, 07:56 PM   #8
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Old 28th June 2010, 08:01 PM   #9
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Total gun related death rate:
Switzerland 6.40
Scotland 0.58
Engl'd&Wales 0.38
USA 11.66

from wiki

While the swiss death rate is half the US, it's still 12x the UKs.
 
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List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics

Aha, there is a connection (there should be) with having fire arms at home:

Switzerland

Main article: Gun politics in Switzerland

Switzerland practices universal conscription, which requires that all able-bodied male citizens keep fully-automatic firearms at home in case of a call-up. Every male between the ages of 20 and 34 is considered a candidate for conscription into the military, and following a brief period of active duty will commonly be enrolled in the militia until age or an inability to serve ends his service obligation. During their enrollment in the armed forces, these men are required to keep their government-issued selective fire combat rifles and semi-automatic handguns in their homes. Up until September 2007, soldiers also received 50 rounds of government-issued ammunition in a sealed box for storage at home. In addition to these official weapons, Swiss citizens are allowed to purchase surplus-to-inventory combat rifles, and shooting is a popular sport in all the Swiss cantons. However Swiss gun laws are still stricter than in the US. Unlicensed persons are not permitted to carry weapons except under special certain circumstances such as travel to military training. Owners are legally responsible for third party access and usage of their weapons. Licensure is similar to other Germanic countries.
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