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Old 6th July 2003, 12:22 AM   #11
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Default Gee, SY.....

You just had to single out Birmingham, didn't you.....

Unless it is the one in the UK, then that is ok by me.

As for being polite to Frank.......well, lucky for us, we all know him already.

Jocko, Fellow Cranky Old Fart. Really Cranky Old Fart.
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Old 6th July 2003, 12:31 AM   #12
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Hi,

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Really Cranky Old Fart.
Dear Sir,

May I kindly suggest a mild cutdown on the P.C...it may help reduce the farting.

Yours truly,

Frank Ph. De Grove.



P.S. For those of you not " in the know" P.C. refers to a certain veggie notorious for its gasses once gone through the digestional paths....
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Old 6th July 2003, 02:02 AM   #13
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Default Methane producing protein sources...

Hey, when you are as poor as I am, well, that's life.

"Life is hard, Beavis."

"Hmm, heh-heh.....he said 'hard'."

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Old 7th July 2003, 12:58 PM   #14
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It's a sign of the Cranky Old Fart that I've become that I just won't even bother reading this kind of stuff. It's one thing if a guy from (say) Croatia fractures English while trying to express himself;

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Old 7th July 2003, 01:00 PM   #15
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Is that my first word in Croatian?
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Old 7th July 2003, 02:05 PM   #16
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Bok,

Kako se zovete?

Do vidjanja,

Croatian language.



P.S. I'm keeping my fingers crossed hoping those people didn't make too many mistakes.
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Old 7th July 2003, 02:21 PM   #17
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Is that my first word in Croatian?

Nope, but this is: "Bok" (meaning 'Hi' or 'Bye', very informal).
BTW, I've never formally learnt any English (only some German)... my English 'fractures' are largely self-inflicted

On a more serious note, it sometimes bugs me when native English speakers disregard and/or ridicule my opinion or an idea just because it's a bit awkwardly put or slightly misspelt or I didn't get an obscure cultural reference... My language or cultural mistakes hardly ever get corrected or explained to me because people are too busy having their little fun, picking on my mistakes, sharing their private little jokes ... you know, the grade school stuff. Puts me off a little.

Anyway, an interesting topic.

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Old 7th July 2003, 02:55 PM   #18
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Well, I always try to remember the patience of my French friends as I struggle to gain proficiency in their language.

Bok, dude!
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Old 7th July 2003, 03:08 PM   #19
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Moamps:

I have read several of your posts and I think your English is perfectly fine.

Also, if you re-read SY's post I think you will realize that SY was trying to say that he is willing to make allowances for people who do not speak English as their native language. He merely used Croatian as an example-it could have been any language. It is the people who are born in English speaking countries who speak badly who bother him. SY was not trying to put down Croatian speakers at all.
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Old 7th July 2003, 03:14 PM   #20
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Default To correct, or not to correct..

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snip..
On a more serious note, it sometimes bugs me when native English speakers disregard and/or ridicule my opinion or an idea just because it's a bit awkwardly put or slightly misspelt or I didn't get an obscure cultural reference... My language or cultural mistakes hardly ever get corrected or explained to me because people are too busy having their little fun, picking on my mistakes, sharing their private little jokes ... you know, the grade school stuff. Puts me off a little.

Anyway, an interesting topic.

Bok SY
Well this is sometimes a difficult decision, even for the most well-meaning native English speaker.
Correcting anyone can be construed as critisism. Normally, if I can understand the meaning, I don't correct someone, unless we are actually discussing language.
We come to this forum to mostly discuss technical issues, and to my mind, language corrections are just a distraction. Of course what I'd not considered is the possibility that discussions may serve a dual purpose: technical and language practice.

I do agree that a multinational discussion group such as ours is not the place for obscure idioms, except perhaps between individuals purely as banter.

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