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Old 19th February 2011, 09:03 PM   #9901
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Well, Ed, disagreeing with you is always a pleasure. Best case, I learn something new. Worst case, you learn something new.

"PVA" is an ambiguous term- it can mean "polyvinyl acetate" (which is a component of the record fomulation and not used as a release- it's a glue) or "polyvinyl alcohol." The acronym "PVOH" has no such ambiguity, which is why we polymer geeks use it in this context. The "OH" indicates "alcohol," since the hydroxyl group is the defining feature.

PVOH is absolutely soluble in water, and absolutely will wash off. The high solubility is one reason why its use in food contact packaging is restricted to inner layers in a multilayer system.

If the hypothesis of a bumpy record with PVOH as Bondo is correct, then wet washing will make records noisy. It doesn't. End of hypothesis.

Well that would leave the moisture has caused a non-uniform movement in the records surface or you have deposited something.

So what is your hypothesis?

Or do we need a chemical engineer to do rate equations?

Bill that monk from Occam England had some rules on explanations.
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Old 19th February 2011, 10:45 PM   #9902
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Well, like I said, my hypothesis is cratering of the vinyl from some sort of skid-slam mechanism. Wet play after damage doesn't show the damage well because the craters are more or less "filled in" by the fluid, which doesn't undergo shear. A micro examination of a formerly wet-played disk would determine if that hypothesis is valid or incorrect.
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Old 19th February 2011, 11:03 PM   #9903
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As I wrote above, you believe you see things in perspective, while to me, before you'll demonstrate your theories in practice, your words are empty.
You don't get a United States patent for a revolutionary type of sound system for empty words. And I do have a working prototype.
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Old 19th February 2011, 11:09 PM   #9904
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Your idea might be the greatest thing ever, but a patent or lack of one is irrelevant. Of course, so is going commercial- there's lots of great diy stuff, lots of crappy-but-hyped commercial stuff.

A patent can be substantial- or it can be "empty words."
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Old 20th February 2011, 12:01 AM   #9905
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Your idea might be the greatest thing ever, but a patent or lack of one is irrelevant. Of course, so is going commercial- there's lots of great diy stuff, lots of crappy-but-hyped commercial stuff.

A patent can be substantial- or it can be "empty words."
Well said.
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Old 20th February 2011, 02:19 AM   #9906
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Scott,

The interesting unasked or unanswered question always was, "Was anything or anyone else aboard his submarine?"


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Old 20th February 2011, 02:36 AM   #9907
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> You don't get a United States patent for a revolutionary
> type of sound system for empty words.

Thank You,
Amar .........
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Old 20th February 2011, 04:37 AM   #9908
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> You don't get a United States patent for a revolutionary
> type of sound system for empty words.

Thank You,
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Old 20th February 2011, 04:51 AM   #9909
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This whole idea of 11% direct and 89% indirect sound was postulated by Dr.Podzus back in the 40th. His nephew Manuel Podzus has shown me an old picture with a spaeker with multiple wideband drivers also developped by Dr. Podzus so his ideas where simply stolen.
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Old 20th February 2011, 05:13 AM   #9910
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You don't get a United States patent for a revolutionary type of sound system for empty words.
Yes, you can. It's done all the time. Hell, they're still issuing patents for perpetual motion devices.

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