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Old 7th November 2010, 12:08 AM   #6511
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Wow and flutter are mechanical terms and make no sense in the context of purely electrical measurements.
You may have overlooked the "induced".
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Old 7th November 2010, 12:45 AM   #6512
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You may have overlooked the "induced".
Nope, I stand pat on this. Using the terms wow and flutter in a purely electrical stimulous/measurment context is just sensationalism, typical of the poor rigor of the AES peer review process.
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Old 7th November 2010, 12:49 AM   #6513
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Sure it does. Wow and flutter is FM added to tape by speed irregularities. FM meters were developed many decades ago to measure this. Were is yours?
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Old 7th November 2010, 12:53 AM   #6514
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Yes, Ron's paper was checked by a Stanford professor of engineering, rather than V&L. ;-)
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Old 7th November 2010, 02:34 PM   #6515
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Old 7th November 2010, 02:34 PM   #6516
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The accepted definition of wow is <4Hz frequency wander, i.e. 60Hz and 3000Hz don't make wow no how.

BTW Wikip is out to lunch again, jitter is not wow and flutter. Check the discussion page on emitter follower. There is a long running argument of weather emitter degeneration is feedback.
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The accepted definition of wow is <4Hz frequency wander, i.e. 60Hz and 3000Hz don't make wow no how.
It doesn't prevent using the phenomena of wow in other frequencies, for other purposes.
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Obviously Scott objects to the language used. But is there substance underneath the less than academically perfect description? Can anyone explain in clear terms what Ron's position, arguments and measurements are? I'll have access to the paper in a week or two but not yet. I missed the presentation so I don't know any details.
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...typical of the poor rigor of the AES peer review process.
Was is an actual paper or a preprint?
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Old 7th November 2010, 04:15 PM   #6520
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Of course. Ask for 8194. The patent that is associated with it is: US 7,550,977 B2
Issued: Jun. 23, 2009. Bob Cordell has a copy.
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