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Old 30th July 2010, 08:18 PM   #5341
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Well, in the case of increased loudness and decreased dynamic range it's just your everyday free market capitalism at work
There's a reason why it is called 'loudness wars'.

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There's an interesting article on the subject from Mix magazine in 2005:

Dynamics are Dead, Long Live Dynamics-Mastering Engineers Debate Musicís Loudness Wars
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Old 30th July 2010, 08:42 PM   #5342
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Fortunately, orchestral recordings have avoided both "loudness wars" and the need to be distributed on vinyl.


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Old 30th July 2010, 10:13 PM   #5343
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Where is considered the forefront of audio research now? Harman International?


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Both Harman and Bose, who share a mega-rivalry, actually do quite a bit of good research work. They both also know what a market is and when they can be profitable.

So it really depends on what you consider to be the forefront.

I like loudspeakers that don't break, sound good if not stellar and are reasonably priced. I use a lot of them.

The market seems to agree with that.

Yes, I almost gag every time someone tells me how they bought the best... Bose!

But ain't their marketing (which also includes research) GREAT!
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Old 31st July 2010, 12:20 AM   #5344
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Both Harman and Bose, who share a mega-rivalry, actually do quite a bit of good research work. They both also know what a market is and when they can be profitable.
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Yes, I almost gag every time someone tells me how they bought the best... Bose!
The Bose sound is quite off for my tastes, but some ppl seem to like the Bose sound. JBLs with a Blowtorch seems like a much better match.


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So it really depends on what you consider to be the forefront.
Anywhere that is advancing audio playback. Seems to me that the lion's share of research now goes into multi-channel home theater systems.


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Old 31st July 2010, 03:35 AM   #5345
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Today I attended a small hi fi show in the SF Bay area. One display stood out above everything, and it was the usual. You know, a single ended tube amp of the highest quality, super preamp and good speakers. I had nothing to do with it, but it sure sounded great! No Bose on display.
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Old 31st July 2010, 03:43 PM   #5346
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Today I attended a small hi fi show in the SF Bay area. One display stood out above everything, and it was the usual. You know, a single ended tube amp of the highest quality, super preamp and good speakers. I had nothing to do with it, but it sure sounded great! No Bose on display.
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This was my package for a high end amp, I did not proceed though.

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Old 31st July 2010, 09:28 PM   #5347
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I mentioned to Mitch Cotter my experience yesterday, with the high quality tube electronics that I was impressed with. I asked: Did it have loop feedback? I answered no, and he then laughed and said that was the answer. I.E. No FM distortion. I agree.
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Old 31st July 2010, 10:30 PM   #5348
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what was the magic "no FM" source? - certainly vinyl playback can't be characterized as "low FM distortion"
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Old 1st August 2010, 02:18 AM   #5349
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Actually, it was CD, I was told. Still, it still sounded great. At least, without annoyance.
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Old 1st August 2010, 06:29 PM   #5350
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I was reading on a the hyperacusis forum about a study on inaudible frequencies hurting ears, and came across this in a web search.

Inaudible High-Frequency Sounds Affect Brain Activity: Hypersonic Effect -- Oohashi et al. 83 (6): 3548 -- Journal of Neurophysiology

They could measure a difference in the electrical activity of the brain using an EEG when high frequencies above what we perceive as sound were present. Maybe audiophiles got it write after all.
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