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Old 6th February 2014, 03:34 PM   #48061
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I thought it was beautifully handled.

The subjective reviewer liked the product, but technically it was clearly flawed.

At least JA measures the stuff and provides in my view a straight technical assessment of the product.
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Old 6th February 2014, 03:44 PM   #48062
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I come for the measurements write-up, and stay for the dancing at the end. The dance occurs disproportionately for Fremer reviews.
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Old 6th February 2014, 03:50 PM   #48063
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Bonsai,
The main reason I stopped reading Stereophile and checking out what was happening in that end of the industry was the disconnect between the technical side and the subjective side. While you could read some fairly well done bench testing the subjective reviewers would go out of there way to make something sound to them good, including special matching cables and all manner of tweaks to get a top line product, by price, to be acceptable. I would say it was painful to read some of the hoops that the reviewers would go through to find a product satisfactory. Other times their references were worse than the reviewed product and a definite bias could be seen.
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Old 6th February 2014, 03:50 PM   #48064
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He's an artist, remember.
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Old 6th February 2014, 04:01 PM   #48065
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The main reason I stopped reading Stereophile and checking out what was happening in that end of the industry was the disconnect between the technical side and the subjective side. While you could read some fairly well done bench testing the subjective reviewers would go out of there way to make something sound to them good, including special matching cables and all manner of tweaks to get a top line product, by price, to be acceptable. I would say it was painful to read some of the hoops that the reviewers would go through to find a product satisfactory. Other times their references were worse than the reviewed product and a definite bias could be seen.
. . . But, then there's JA's technical assessment that brings the whole thing down to earth again.

It's kind of like my wife, who I love dearly, when she goes to the makeup counter in a big downtown dept store and asks the 20 something at the counter (there's dozens of them, all touting this and that wonder potion) which is the best makeup to make her look 20 again. What comes back is a stream of psuedo bio- science babble (actually, it's absolute bs - even I can detect it). However, it makes her feel good, and she parts with her money, walking out of the store happier than she went in. So I'm also happy.

And so it is with high end audio. Some recommend, and some check the facts. Take advice from whoever makes you feel happy enough to part with your $'s!

(My wife is a very cool looking women by the way and not in any way connected to the hag I mentioned earlier )
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Old 6th February 2014, 04:08 PM   #48066
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Old 6th February 2014, 04:29 PM   #48067
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See Issue 23. He gave it a great review.
http://www.theaudiocritic.com/back_i...ritic_23_r.pdf
Have a look at the attachment.
Anyone from the owners of an AP here to check what these transients are?


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I couldn't have said it better myself..
You’ ll read the names of the gents that wrote this when you will decide to open your PM inbox.
I would like to read your comments on their work.

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George, when I find my resistors again, would you be interested in a .1 ohm CVR?
How could I resist to hold in my hands a jn’s CVR (and warm it up )?
I have already fallen in love with CVRs
I’ll PM you my postal address.


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Old 6th February 2014, 05:02 PM   #48068
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Youí ll read the names of the gents that wrote this when you will decide to open your PM inbox.
I would like to read your comments on their work.
George, you've sent me links to in excess of 600 pages..

So far, I really like what I've been reading.

The latest one you linked to is really great. Lots of little tricks and techniques I've used and pushed at work over the years.

I thought I pm'd you thanking you for the links, if not, my apologies.
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How could I resist to hold in my hands a jnís CVR (and warm it up )?
I have already fallen in love with CVRs
Iíll PM you my postal address.
Ok. I recently moved offices, so haven't unpacked everything. I sent scott the last one I made, it used clad perfboard.. I've a Unimat I'm refurbishing, so I'm hoping to make my next one out of .0625 thick copper using a 3 axis milling stage. That way, it'll be amenable to potting into an aluminum case so it will allow dissipation. I suspect the copper is going to break a few drill bits, I need holes about 2 mils larger than the lead diameter.

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Old 6th February 2014, 05:06 PM   #48069
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My concern for this thread is to show HOW people like me evaluate and compare other peoples products, as well as my own designs, by using tests done by a 3'rd party, namely 'Stereophile'. It isn't that important what product is discussed to understand what my experience tells me to look out for when looking for potential product problems.
I just cannot get anywhere with this without being deluged with extraneous input. Sorry.
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Old 6th February 2014, 05:16 PM   #48070
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I missed the explanation. (TLA's are too rampant here). What is a CVR? Is it similar to one of these? Fluke A40A or Coaxial shunt resistors CSR1, CSR2 and CSR3
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