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Old 4th July 2013, 03:39 PM   #41121
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Jacco,
How you describe Fas42 to me sounds like someone who believes based only on faith, no evidence is needed for any belief, just a faith in belief itself. Science and reality has nothing to do with the outcome, you believe what you believe for no other reason, really a religious notion it seems. He and I are of completely different camps, I want evidence and reason in what I do, not belief that a magic potion is going to solve the problem. I guess it is somewhat like claiming that all things that happen are the result of the Illuminati and the rest of us just aren't aware of someones magic powers.
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Old 4th July 2013, 04:33 PM   #41122
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I did not describe Frank (*)
Merely made a shopping list of a number of Frank's facts, analysed it, and drew a rational conclusion (based on catalogued Quack behaviour in a medical vademicum nutshell)

(* well, I did, on several occasions in a week's time, but that was an essential part of the Duck hunt. A side pinch here, a buttock pinch there, a pinch everywhere, and Frank is owned by the Scarlet PimP-ernel. Wrapped in small-talk Jive, and smooth-operator jokes. I get bored sometimes, Frank repeatedly insults the intelligence of the participants of this thread, so I target a sitting Duck)

Frank likely didn't appreciate my Big Brotha and his BB Ho-gun jokey either.
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Old 4th July 2013, 05:05 PM   #41123
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What amazes me is that I took a course in Thermodynamics as an upper division requirement to pursue a degree in physics about 50 years ago. Somehow I missed something! '-)
Or just plain forgot.
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Old 4th July 2013, 10:42 PM   #41124
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Hi everyone. I think it might be useful to talk about electrical flow, especially in audio equipment. How does the signal pass through a preamp or an amp and what could possibly be problematic, besides the inherent nonlinearity of the active devices?
Also, what is the TRUE NATURE of electron flow, and is it important?
Is OHM's Law all you need?
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Old 4th July 2013, 10:57 PM   #41125
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Jacco,
How you describe Fas42 to me sounds like someone who believes based only on faith, no evidence is needed for any belief, just a faith in belief itself.
Dear o' dear ... just because I acknowledge that some device, object, material can have an impact on the perceived sound, it means that I become fair game. Strangely enough, places like RS and Farnell are full of such things, but they have an approval sticker on them, so it's OK ... . Of course, the problem here is that the device is expensive, and the explanation sounds wacko -- which means that under all circumstances it must have zero impact on sound; if it was cheap and had a technically very impressive but ultimately BS explanation for its operation then it would considered legit ...

Objects, materials have impact on sound. This I have found over and over again - my ears tell me what's going on and that's the only thing that has definitive authority as far as I'm concerned. Crap sound is crap sound, and you can wave all the measurement data you like at me that "proves" that what I'm listening to is "correct" - and guess what? It ain't worth sh!t if my ears don't like it ...
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Is OHM's Law all you need?
Yes, always ... but a lot of the time people seem to forget that those nice lines drawn on a schematic connecting 2 nodes are not "perfect" connections - nasty little impedances and voltage sources are ready to spring out and bite you when your back is turned ...
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Old 4th July 2013, 11:11 PM   #41127
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Frank, you'll need to provide something more than words thrown around willy nilly. yeah like its the approval sticker that makes 'them' (as yet undetermined) work for people. the approval sticker means it has to pass some test that says it works, otherwise if it doesnt work, yet has some as yet undetermined 'approval sticker' you can do something about that. you are so paranoid, it seems to govern so much of your investigation and is used to justify your results.

its exactly this type of vague assertion that jacco is talking about I think.

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Yes, always ...
No. There are things, for example, called "junctions."
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Old 4th July 2013, 11:50 PM   #41129
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Okay, let's go back, waaaay back to what I said ... uuuhhh, only 3 days ago, seems more than that ...

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Apparently the Bybee does make a difference - enough people have reported such, and I have over and over again done things which "shouldn't make a difference" ... but, they do, so I'm happy to believe that there is "something" to this device.
Yes, it's as simple as that ... the "something" is the core of the matter, and there are plenty of "somethings" in this audio game - in fact, the whole scene stinks of them. There will always be a rational, underlying reason for the "something" but just because they are not fully clear to all and sundry is not a reason for anyone to burst a boiler about it.

Again, certain things cause the sound to change - the intelligent approach is to investigate: at the very least utilise the behaviour you've "discovered"; a following, meaningful activity is to try and understand that behaviour - simply rejecting the phenomenon, because it doesn't fit in with your world view is just a form of bloodymindedness ..
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Old 4th July 2013, 11:50 PM   #41130
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just because...it means that I become fair game.
Frank,

you become fair game, the moment you start a diatribe.
What you still fail to realise or accept, is that the more you post about your inner self, the more you reveal about yourself.
Words are as fingerprints, and less technical/rational ones splatter their DNA around.

Based on reading quite a number of your posts, I can tell a whole lot more about you.
Which would not be respectfull, the topic is/was supposed to be audio & snake oil related.
My intention was not to harass you, but merely to substantiate a point I posted a couple of days ago, #41026.

Naturally, the same story applies to me as well. The truth hurts, Clarice.
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