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Old 20th February 2013, 05:24 PM   #35571
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And I am not entirely convinced about this Right/Left Brain dichotomy anyway - it seems rather too simplistic for such an amazingly plastic organ.
You are correct, John is wrong. The "right brain logical, left brain creative" hypothesis was discarded decades ago (see, for example Toga, A. W. and Thompson, P. M. (2003). "Mapping brain asymmetry". Nature Reviews Neuroscience 4 (1): 37–48). That's also been referenced to John quite a few times, to no apparent effect.

edit: I swapped the pop-psych mapping- read "left brain logical, right brain creative," which is the actual inaccurate trope.
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Old 20th February 2013, 05:27 PM   #35572
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Brahms was considered dissonant in his day. Go figure. I've found the best musicians to be the most down to Earth people I know. Driven maybe, but not false.

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The evolution of my own compositions and comprehension has been illuminating.

I read an influential book, a veritable polemic by a critic and sometime jazz musician and composer, Andre Hodier, "Since Debussy". In the absence of hearing much of the music described I was, at 13, deeply moved to pursue serial techniques, despite having had very little exposure to more traditional harmony and counterpoint. I initially didn't even understand Schoenberg's approach but I started to hack out some music. I still have remnants and they are ludicrously bad. However, when I started to have access to pianos and hear what some it it sounded like, I realized that I was learning harmony at least in negative relief --- that is, I had to eliminate things that by accident sounded consonant and at times fortuitously achieved some kind of a cadence

Another person who had a huge influence was Denis Dutton, the late philosopher at U. of Canterbury and author of The Art Instinct. He was my best friend's older brother and an avid fan of music. He would play recorded examples for us, and in fact drove my pal Doug further toward extreme antiquarian conservatism and me in the opposite direction (one passage in the Brahms 2nd piano concerto had Doug screaming "NOISE" ).

Denis once played the Ives "Concord" sonata. Now that was incomprehensible to me at the time, except of course for the episodes of march music quotes and everyone's favorite movement to attempt, The Alcotts. True, the recording is among the very worst, by Aloys Kontarsky, on the defunct Time Records label (the liner notes are a snooty European avant-garde humbug, a big sneer at the unwashed). But I didn't get it at all.

As time has gone on, now 50-odd years later, I know that piece very well, and in the hands of someone like Easley Blackwood, it damn near sounds like some kind of late-late Beethoven.

But my own musical directions are very different, and I don't think dodecaphonic music makes a damn bit of sense, though there are a few "masterpieces". I think it is truly a dead end, and musicologists with some decent separation from us in time will view it thus.
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quite a few times, to no apparent effect.
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Well, I recommended a book first brought forth by Ed Dell. Put that in your pipe and smoke it! '-)

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edit: I swapped the pop-psych mapping- read "left brain logical, right brain creative," which is the actual inaccurate trope.
Surely you are not saying that these artistic highly subjective people get their simplistic assertions laterally inverted? You could say they are wrong, but as some of them don't recognise the concept of truth I guess in their own mind they can't be wrong because they don't accept the concept of 'wrong'.
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Well, PMA, I wish you well. You certainly don't need me to advise you.
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Dan, I don't think you get out enough......
Haha, that could be true, but one of the times I did go out was to Nymindegab Museum (Denmark) that displayed a collection of beautifully detailed paintings portraying life and times past....interesting history.
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I know this fellow very well, otherwise known as 'the drawing machine' ....Bryon Fitzpatrick
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Dotted around his home walls were renderings such as this one (the photo does not do it justice) and a bunch of others....he has a simply amazing ability to make a chromed image stand out from a sheet of coloured paper, and correct to the finest details.
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Jeffrey Smart's paintings are nice enough, but just that little bit too 'cartoonish' for my taste, but thanks anyway.

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Surely you are not saying that these artistic highly subjective people get their simplistic assertions laterally inverted? You could say they are wrong, but as some of them don't recognise the concept of truth I guess in their own mind they can't be wrong because they don't accept the concept of 'wrong'.
I think you confuse academics with working artists. I spend most of my non-work time with visual artists and musicians, and most of them are quite articulate and down-to-earth, as well as curious and (generally) knowledgeable about science. Once you get to academics who don't actually produce art or music, the post-modern intrudes.
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