John Curl's Blowtorch preamplifier part II - Page 3472 - diyAudio
Go Back   Home > Forums > Member Areas > The Lounge

The Lounge A place to talk about almost anything but politics and religion.

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10th February 2013, 04:29 PM   #34711
Pano is offline Pano  United States
diyAudio Moderator
 
Pano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Milliways
Blog Entries: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by vacuphile View Post
Pano, please be fair. Bose has good marketing, but it also produces speakers with keen knowledge of psyco-acoustics.
Oh I certainly agree. IMO they are no better or worse than a lot of other brands, but their marketing skills are second to none. The Beats stuff may end up surpassing them, tho. At least for awhile.

Future historians will mark the beginning of the decline of Western Civilization by the day that our universities began offering degrees in "Marketing".
__________________
Take the Speaker Voltage Test!
  Reply With Quote
Old 10th February 2013, 04:31 PM   #34712
DF96 is offline DF96  England
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by john curl
YET, that sort of waveform is necessary to bring out the DA in caps.
This is astonishing. Are you really saying that in order to expose a very low frequency phenomenon (DA in caps) it is necessary to use a test signal which includes very low frequency components? Who would have thought it?
  Reply With Quote
Old 10th February 2013, 04:36 PM   #34713
RNMarsh is offline RNMarsh  United States
diyAudio Member
 
RNMarsh's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: 2457 Cascade Trail; Cool, CA. 95614
Right now it is a mixed bag.... if you look at the headphone product on the shelves, some have only Beats as owner, some have three names as Designed by and others have only Monster for owner. Seems that the breakup wasnt clean and there are some from each and some from both.
The major headphone companies which have been around for decades were asleep at their marketing wheel. Until a new comer entered their domain and did the marketing to a nitch they had been ignoring.

Now its a marketing fight over that nitch. The consumer will have to sort thru it but will benifit from the competition.

-RNM

Last edited by RNMarsh; 10th February 2013 at 04:39 PM. Reason: Beats and Monster
  Reply With Quote
Old 10th February 2013, 04:36 PM   #34714
diyAudio Member
 
Steve Eddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Sacramento, CA
Quote:
Originally Posted by john curl View Post
I don't know the whole story, but the people I am supposed to have lunch with today, do headphones for just about everybody. They said that they got those headphones started, and even developed to some degree, then Noel took it over, including the ownership of the design, and so it goes.
Beat By Dre: The Exclusive Inside Story of How Monster Lost the World

se
__________________
The Audio Guild
  Reply With Quote
Old 10th February 2013, 04:41 PM   #34715
1audio is offline 1audio  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: SF Bay Area
Blog Entries: 3
Here is another view (not entirely objective) of the beats/Monster story: Beat By Dre: The Exclusive Inside Story of How Monster Lost the World

Having been close to the front line throughout the process its mostly accurate. However two scorpions in a bottle may be a better model for what happened.
__________________
Demian Martin
Product Design Services
  Reply With Quote
Old 10th February 2013, 04:45 PM   #34716
diyAudio Member
 
john curl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: berkeley ca
The test signal was adapted to MAXIMIZE the lowest signal frequency (fundamental) that would normally be passed through a hi fi system.
Of course, at higher frequencies the DA effect is reduced, but it still remains. I like reasonable worst case, rather than 'babying' the component under test.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10th February 2013, 04:54 PM   #34717
diyAudio Member
 
john curl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: berkeley ca
Wow! Demian I am going to take this over to Mike's (Menlo) today and discuss it with him. Thanks for the input. Where have you been? Did you get my e-mail that I put here on this thread, days ago?
  Reply With Quote
Old 10th February 2013, 04:54 PM   #34718
Pano is offline Pano  United States
diyAudio Moderator
 
Pano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Milliways
Blog Entries: 4
That's a beautiful story, thanks for posting Steve. Karma is a *****. The Monster gets "Beat." Love it.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10th February 2013, 05:05 PM   #34719
diyAudio Member
 
Steve Eddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Sacramento, CA
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pano View Post
That's a beautiful story, thanks for posting Steve. Karma is a *****. The Monster gets "Beat." Love it.
Yeah, after all the grief he'd brought upon others with his trademark lawsuit thuggery, reading that piece was schadenfreudelicious!

se
__________________
The Audio Guild
  Reply With Quote
Old 10th February 2013, 05:10 PM   #34720
bcarso is offline bcarso  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Canoga Park, California
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1audio View Post
Here is another view (not entirely objective) of the beats/Monster story: Beat By Dre: The Exclusive Inside Story of How Monster Lost the World

Having been close to the front line throughout the process its mostly accurate. However two scorpions in a bottle may be a better model for what happened.
That's a great story! Thanks Demian and Steve!

I shall forward the link to a couple of people who may not have seen it, with the appropriate caveats about the details.

What is particularly impressive is the "Beats" processing, which supposedly has been incorporated into car audio systems. This should have Harman worried a lot, but they are probably too busy, in other ways, performing target practice on their feet

I do still recommend the RS article about Iovine, which has much more to do with his career than with Beats, but nonetheless has some astonishing bits related to the headphones, his acknowledged hearing loss, etc.
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 04:06 AM.


vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 1999-2014 diyAudio

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2