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Old 31st December 2012, 04:36 PM   #32001
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While I cannot hear as extendedly or as acutely as I could 30-40 years ago, I am self trained to still hear differences in audio products that may, in fact, be subtle, and little use to many others.
None of the skilled listeners I've ever known have been young. Many young folks have great hearing, but lack skills.
It takes time to acquire the skills.

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Old 31st December 2012, 04:45 PM   #32002
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I started off in life better at this than most, and instead of becoming a superior musician, I became a superior listener of musical instruments and musical playback systems
You will write yourself your own posthumous eulogy?
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Old 31st December 2012, 04:46 PM   #32003
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Jan, I'd disagree a bit. No one in fashion audio, perhaps, but among real audio engineers, there's a keen interest in perception.
I'm not so sure, considering the crap that most of them masters.

Oh, yes, they invented mp3.
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Old 31st December 2012, 04:48 PM   #32004
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That is true, Pano. It is best to get a good start with youth on your side, if possible. Some do, some don't. As we age, it becomes more difficult to note the differences, and easier to accept mediocrity like TV sound when it is necessary.
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I found when I was a teenager that I had an 'ear' for differences in musical instruments, guitars notably. That is just a 'fact of life'. I used this 'advantage' to go into audio reproduction, when I ultimately realized that I would never be an exceptional guitarist, even after years of trying. Sure beat building 'bombs' etc for the military, at least I thought so at the time.
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Old 31st December 2012, 04:58 PM   #32006
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Yes 'real audio engineers' invented mp3 and are proud of it!
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Old 31st December 2012, 05:09 PM   #32007
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I'm not so sure, considering the crap that most of them masters.
Oh, yes, they invented mp3.
It is unfair. My disco is full of *wonderful* recordings. Mp3, was invented by the audio industry (not sound engineers) to replace K7 in your car. Mp3 is hated by sound engineers, as was K7. (While i use compression to store more tunes in my cell phone :-)
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What, you don't especially like mp3? I heard that it was almost undetectable in many double blind tests. Where was I misinformed?
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Jan, I'd disagree a bit. No one in fashion audio, perhaps, but among real audio engineers, there's a keen interest in perception.
Yes, true, but these are mostly working in areas like cell phone, voip, hearing aids. That's where the bleeding edge of sound perception research is happening.

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You better tell 'jj' that he is the 'audio industry' and not an 'audio engineer'. If he agrees with you, I will go along with it.
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