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Old 10th November 2012, 02:06 AM   #29141
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BTW, Wavebourn, i suppose you have spend some hours or days working on enclosures in some big anechoic chambers ? Don't you were surprised that you don't lose localization, while there is not so much reflexions ?
No, I was not surprised because I knew that binaural localization does not require reflections nor reverberation. When I was a young student of physic-math school of Irkutsk university (like in summer breaks of Western high school), we had a summer camp where we living in tents solved problems of physics in the day-to-day life. One of problem we found was quite interesting, sitting on open air we knew where mosquitoes were flying around our heads, killing them in a single attempt, without paying attention. It was in Siberia, you know, where mosquitoes live during summers. Can you imagine how precise time delays and level differences we needed to calculate instantly in order to know where to slap?
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Oh dear, this reminds of a ferocious tussle in another forum, that I got involved in, that went on for page after page, day after day, about whether vertical height information could be effectively captured through normal mic's and then reproduced via conventional stereo speakers. Back and forth it went ... got hotter and hotter, but in the end (yeaahhh!!) the believers won, the other lot conked out ...

Wavebourn, I hope this one peters out faster ...
I am the believer Frank. But my beliefs are based on my experiments. When I was young I used to satisfy my curiosity in the laboratory where I did research how to fool imagination working on design of analog synthesis and other sound effects.
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Old 10th November 2012, 06:32 AM   #29147
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Just another reminder that we are talking about Blind Listening Tests. My outrageous contention is that even you, Mr. Marsh, might pick certain small speakers over your present huge system in a Blind Listening Test.
No I wouldnt like them. I have already been down that road. I have a pretty accurate speaker (the new Quad ESL) and it is better in most everyway -EXCEPT in the missing bass and dynamic range. I am never happy with missing bass systems. Even in a blind test, I know when there isnt bass. But add a bass/sub to them and it might be a different story.

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Old 10th November 2012, 07:47 AM   #29148
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I have a pretty accurate speaker (the new Quad ESL) and it is better in most everyway -EXCEPT in the missing bass and dynamic range.
Tried any of the specialist subwoofers for ESL63?

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I am never happy with missing bass systems. Even in a blind test, I know when there isnt bass.
Where/when did you test this proposition?

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BTW, Wavebourn, i suppose you have spend some hours or days working on enclosures in some big anechoic chambers ? Don't you were surprised that you don't lose localization, while there is not so much reflexions ?
I won't comment on the height stuff but real life localisation is a lot worse in anechoic conditions. Loadsa documented tests on this. Try Blauert or the BBC Engineering Reports. I found this myself when testing stereo localisation.

If you get a chance to spend time in an Imax auditorium, the spec for the theatre is 'nearly' anechoic. I think you will find localisation weird and distance cues almost absent.

PS I've spent a lot of time in anechoic chambers.

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He did just say that 'it does not require the reflections', he didn't say it wasn't better with them present. I don't need tyres to ride my bike, but it helps.
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Where/when did you test this proposition?
Are you doubting that one can tell when bass is missing? Really? From music heard on both small and large systems -with and without extended bass? Say, direct recording from 5 string bass guitar? Is this a trick question?
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