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Old 21st September 2012, 12:29 AM   #27771
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how does even an "expert" listener know that two different formats have the same mastered source?
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Trust the liner notes ?
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Now, THAT is funny!
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Think what you want, I have to make decisions based on my OWN perceptions. That is why I can make progress. '-)

Well, a small anecdote.

A set of vinyl LPs
A set of CDs
Both from the same company. According to the liner notes everything matched. Date, venue, conductor, cast, orchestra.
Listening to it confirms this. It is a live opera recording and there are myriad clues that assure it.
I preferred to listen from the LPs. I enjoyed it more sound-wise.
I did my own transfer from the LPs to recordable CDs.
Listening to these recordable CDs I enjoyed it as much as the LPs.
(Now to which post above do I fit? )

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Of course, it may not (probably isn't) the format difference you're comparing, but rather what the mastering engineers decided to lay down.
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Old 21st September 2012, 12:36 AM   #27772
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I sample a number of each type and characterize the sound. Works for me.
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Old 21st September 2012, 12:41 AM   #27773
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The Mercury Living Presence hybrids are probably pretty honest for comparison purposes (and often great music and sound).

Bluray players for DVD playback have an advantage over earlier DVD players, with modern 120 Hz refresh rate displays, because they can communicate in film-based DVDs' native 24 Hz frame rate, avoiding pull-up/pull-down trickery. A really nice Sony is a little over US$100. Picture connects to display digitally.

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Old 21st September 2012, 12:47 AM   #27774
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The Mercury Living Presence hybrids are probably pretty honest for comparison purposes (and often great music and sound).

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Alas I have very few of the LPs, but most of the CDs. And they are pretty nice indeed, and wonderful performances. In fact the latter probably makes me more accepting of the sound. Having decried composers for frequent acceptance of spotlit recordings, I confess to being (or more now, having been) a composer myself.
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Old 21st September 2012, 12:53 AM   #27775
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I grew up on the mono's, and still prefer 'em as often as not. Stereo is just a fad.

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Old 21st September 2012, 01:04 AM   #27776
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One of the best vinyl records that I have is mono. Stereo IS overrated.
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Old 21st September 2012, 01:50 AM   #27777
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I did my own transfer from the LPs to recordable CDs.
Listening to these recordable CDs I enjoyed it as much as the LPs.
(Now to which post above do I fit? )
This has been mentioned a few times around the traps, in part this is because the the tracks of the recordables are truly aligned correctly with the centre hole. With CDs it's a function of how sloppy or precise they were punching out that centre hole at the plant. If tracks are badly aligned to the the effective circular motion of the tracking laser, then the servos for the latter are working much harder, and the power supplies are given a more strenuous workout. Which ultimately pollutes the analogue side of things, or can do so.

Yes, of course it shouldn't be that way, but for a few hundred bucks to buy I'm sure the integrity of all the power supplies are of the highest level ...

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Old 21st September 2012, 02:09 AM   #27778
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One of the best vinyl records that I have is mono. Stereo IS overrated.
How do I hear "depth" just as good, or better, in mono? Riddle me that Batman!

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ps: Some folks say we should've stayed with 78's. Of course, aboriginal people first shown photographs are said to have been unable to distinguish them from real people. It's a big ol' world.
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Old 21st September 2012, 02:22 AM   #27779
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The SACD and CD layers of many hybrid discs have been shown to be mastered differently.
Okay, and they always master the CD worse because? If CDs can't be mastered well, then who needs them?
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One of the best vinyl records that I have is mono. Stereo IS overrated.
Me too. But I listened on stereo speakers and I didn't know it was mono till I looked at the LP.
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