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Old 2nd August 2012, 05:46 PM   #25501
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Looks like a before and after of the same person with a face and boob job done. The latest miracle of modern science.
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Old 2nd August 2012, 06:08 PM   #25502
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Left: add conscious feedbacks assuming what is right, what is wrong. Right: let natural feedbacks work.
No. the other way
I guess the woman to the right gets a lot more feed back
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Looks like a before and after of the same person with a face and boob job done. The latest miracle of modern science.
I believe the same person that eats chocolate and desserts as desserts according to age-old traditions instead of eating them instead of meat and butter would look better than if to follows some artificial rules. Proper balance is needed, and ancient people knew well how to survive generations to generations without FDA. For example, Georgia near the south-west of the Russia is well known place where people live more than 100 years in mountains. They eat fatty meats, drink vine. They have no problems with cholesterol and obesity. However, they don't eat refined and pasteurized foods. Their food is combination of fresh, cooked, and fermented foods. Similarly in Bulgaria people who consume traditional diets containing mix of fresh, cooked and fermented foods, live longer and healthier lives. Modern western industrial food culture did not take over their native culture, that's why we know that traditional cuisines are healthier, despite of common belief of learned people that lifespan only increases. One source of this myth is quality of teeth in graves. Better teeth automatically mean that people died younger. This is wrong, because better teeth mean healthier calcium/phosphorus balance.
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Old 2nd August 2012, 06:40 PM   #25504
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.......... I am not that sexy as the lady on the right picture. What do I do wrong?

Well, firstly she is the daughter of Nigel Lawson, once the UK's Chancellor of the Exchequer. Secondly, she is very gushing. Thirdly, YOU are a man!!
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Old 2nd August 2012, 06:45 PM   #25505
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I believe the same person that eats chocolate and desserts as desserts according to age-old traditions instead of eating them instead of meat and butter would look better than if to follows some artificial rules. Proper balance is needed, and ancient people knew well how to survive generations to generations without FDA. For example, Georgia near the south-west of the Russia is well known place where people live more than 100 years in mountains. They eat fatty meats, drink vine. They have no problems with cholesterol and obesity. However, they don't eat refined and pasteurized foods. Their food is combination of fresh, cooked, and fermented foods. Similarly in Bulgaria people who consume traditional diets containing mix of fresh, cooked and fermented foods, live longer and healthier lives. Modern western industrial food culture did not take over their native culture, that's why we know that traditional cuisines are healthier, despite of common belief of learned people that lifespan only increases. One source of this myth is quality of teeth in graves. Better teeth automatically mean that people died younger. This is wrong, because better teeth mean healthier calcium/phosphorus balance.
IIRC the Georgians also keep moving, even late in life. Not running marathons, (I suspect there is no really-benign cardiac hypertrophy) but walking about. And "they" are now saying that sitting in a chair all day is terrible for health, and not something for which vigorous exercise, even daily, can compensate.
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IIRC the Georgians also keep moving, even late in life. Not running marathons, (I suspect there is no really-benign cardiac hypertrophy) but walking about. And "they" are now saying that sitting in a chair all day is terrible for health, and not something for which vigorous exercise, even daily, can compensate.
Sure. Human body is more than what we drink and eat. It is also what we breathe, what we do and what we think. It is a subsystem that is a part of the system called Universe. Cut this part from the whole and it dies.
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Sure. Human body is more than what we drink and eat. It is also what we breathe, what we do and what we think. It is a subsystem that is a part of the system called Universe. Cut this part from the whole and it dies.
Those people also dont eat a lot of gmo foods.
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A quick short version of a long term study ----
A study was done which researchers followed immigrants to usa from an area of asia which is know to have no cancer, high BP, diabetis and other western ills. They got the same illness when living here that we get.

So I might take away from that study that good health isnt much in the genes. It is mostly in our control.

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A quick short version of a long term study ----
A study was done which researchers followed immigrants to usa from an area of asia which is know to have no cancer, high BP, diabetis and other western ills. They got the same illness when living here that we get.

So I might take away from that study that good health isnt much in the genes. It is mostly in our control.
Even worse. I know that because my wife is endocrinologist and works in 3 different private offices. Even people from South America have the same problems here.
To digest different traditional foods people developed different digestive systems. But what happens when they move here is more than lack of legumes they need, it is disbalanced poisoned food with deficiency of vital nutrition, and common "scientifically-proven" beliefs in what is good, what is bad.

Once again in this thread, we are back to optimization.
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Those people also dont eat a lot of gmo foods.
On the other hand, they haven't had much exposure to high end audio either, so how to prove any kind of correlation?

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