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Old 2nd August 2012, 03:01 AM   #25471
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We is collective including the person speaking, why not just clarify most Americans but not me? Not wierd humor just sarcasm, can't help it that's the way I was brought up.
I dont want to play mind games... you either get the drift of the sentence or you dont. ask for clarification if need be.

Often i will put forth an anecdotal story as preliminary only. -- as a means of pointing the way to future research or info to come.

here is what I think about anecdotes: Any given quantity of anecdotal evidence is weaker than an equivalent quantity of RCT evidence, but enough human experience added together can produce a large body of knowledge. Most people who deny that our ancestors could ever identify febrifuges by observation try to avoid the issue of how they could identify edible and poisonous plants without double-blind pacebo-controlled trials, and thereby the question also of how the poor idiots managed to survive to reproduce.

You would choose to emphasizing the point that plants claimed to be poisonous might not be, which can be true (e.g., poinsettia). Still, if you were stranded in a remote part of the world, as I have been, and a knowledgeable indigenous person told you that one tree full of fruit was edible while another was deadly poisonous, are you telling me you would say you had no basis for prefering one over the other?

I would like to have you take... parables, anecdotes and all as serious. That would start a real dialog and improve communication. Everything else I get is to shut me up and block the very thing you want to do.. communicate.

Thx, Richard Marsh

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I've found an illustration to the discussion:

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Old 2nd August 2012, 04:08 AM   #25473
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Default anecdotal evidence of logicís superiority

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here is what I think about anecdotes: Any given quantity of anecdotal evidence is weaker than an equivalent quantity of RCT evidence, but enough human experience added together can produce a large body of knowledge

I would like to have you take... parables, anecdotes and all as serious. That would start a real dialog and improve communication

Thx, Richard Marsh
An old joke (?)

There were two nuns walking in a forest on their way to the monastery.
Their names: Sister Mathematics and Sister Logic.

Sister Maths: Did you notice that a man is following us for the last 38.5 minutes? I wonder why he is doing this!

Sister Logic: Itís pure logic. He wants to rape us.

Sister Maths: Oh, no. What can we do?

Sister Logic: The logical thing to do is to walk faster.

After a while.

Sister Maths: We didnít achieve anything. The man has come closer.

Sister Logic: It was to be expected. This man did what logic dictates. He walked faster too.

Sister Maths: Then what? He will reach us in 1.3 minutes!

Sister Logic: The only logical think we have to do is to split. You will go this way and Iíll go the other way. The man will reach one of us. At least one will reach the monastery and be safe.

Finally, Sister Maths made it to the monastery and anxiously was waiting for Sister Logic. After a while she arrived too, redfaced and sweated.

Sister Math: Oh Sister, I was so afraid. You were 2.5 minutes delayed. Tell me what happened with the man?

Sister Logic: He finally reached me!

Sister Math: Oh, God ! And what happened next?

Sister Logic: I did the logical thing. I raised my clothes!

Sister Math: Good God! What did he do?

Sister Logic: He did what it was logically expected. He lowered his pants.

Sister Math: Sweet Lord! And then what? What happened next?

Sister Logic: It happened what logic would predict. A woman with raised clothes can run, while a man with lowered pants canít even walk. So, I am here safe and untouched.

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Well stated, Richard. I agree that a number of responses one way or another, is good enough for me. That is the ONLY way that I can progress in audio design. Double blind does not tell me anything useful, anymore. Metadata or whatever you call it, is the right way to go.
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Ok Lighten up time !

If its zero degrees outside today and its supposed to be twice as cold tomorrow, how cold is it going to be tomorrow?

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Ok Lighten up time !

If its zero degrees outside today and its supposed to be twice as cold tomorrow, how cold is it going to be tomorrow?

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Ok Lighten up time !

If its zero degrees outside today and its supposed to be twice as cold tomorrow, how cold is it going to be tomorrow?
0 - 273/2 ?
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Depends if you're a subjectivist or an objectivist. Subjectivists will consider wind-chill factor and humidity in deciding the meaning of 'twice as cold'
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Ok Lighten up time !

If its zero degrees outside today and its supposed to be twice as cold tomorrow, how cold is it going to be tomorrow?

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Colder. . .
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Depends if you're a subjectivist or an objectivist. Subjectivists will consider wind-chill factor and humidity in deciding the meaning of 'twice as cold'
Subjective?

Let's assume that comfort temperature is 20 degrees, body temperature is 36.6, the gradient is about 15. So, twice colder than 0 should be -15?
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