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Old 1st May 2012, 04:49 PM   #22851
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Both Southpaw recordings were done with the same mikes and setup- Scott's condensers running into a Fostex FR2LE. They were mounted in a wooden frame covered with a fuzzy mitten to isolate left and right. The frame was put on a high tech isolation mount (i.e., a folding chair). I've attached a photo of the setup. The guitar is an old Yamaha dreadnaught with the high E-string removed and strung upside down.

For the Lee Barber cut, I used a Blumlein pair of crossed ribbons (Cascade X-15 with modified ribbons and re-transformered), a home-made mike preamp (60dB fixed gain, 1nV/rt-Hz noise), and an Echo Audiofire 2 interface. No silver SATA cable. Mike was about 120cm off the floor, about 1.5 meters away from Lee. Guitar is a Martin, one of the smaller steel string models.

On both sets of recordings, there's no compression, limiting, or EQ. They both make my puppy howl. Ceiling is lower than I'd like, about 3 meters. Concrete floor covered with thick padding and carpet.

Thanks for the info.
From the first listening, Lee Barber’s recording sounds to me better tonally balanced, having more mid-low freq. content, while Southpau’s a bit brighter. But again, different guitars, different voices.
Just one more question: Was Lee Barber sitting in the same place as Southpau on the photo and SY’s crossed ribbons at approx. the same position as Scott’s condensers?
The reason I ask is that after 2-3 listenings, I perceive Lee Barber’s capture as having “space around him”, while Southpau more as “him placed on a screen”.
May be, the seat and back panel of the folded chair have done some things to the received sound. (condensers are also both facing forward).

At a feature recording event, since your floor is concrete, you may try placing the mikes directly on the floor (ground plane arrangement).
This technique started from speech recording studios, moving to live opera recordings - on at least one - important stage(s) already some years ago.
Multipath effects minimization in theory.
Better speech intelligibility and better space ambience information capture in practice.
In your case, it will save one chair too.

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Old 1st May 2012, 05:03 PM   #22853
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The carpet and pad are an issue for PZM-style miking. I'm interested in trying a suspended version similar to Pierre Sprey.

Lee was sitting a bit farther out into the room, maybe an extra meter. The mike polar pattern differences are very much responsible for the imaging and soundstage variations. I like the midrange tonality of the ribbon better, but the definition and high treble of Scott's mikes wipe mine out.

We had quite a few forum members present for these shows; it's an amazing amount of fun. BTW, the box on the left where my guitars and banjos are leaning is one of my subwoofers. It doubles as a printer stand and a convenient place to leave my wine glass.
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Indeed, an issue but not necessarily a problem.
You can arrange for (experiment with) pads placed between mic and carpet. Difference in reflectivity and difference in surface area are the tuning parameters.

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Unfortunately, my apartment is old enough NOT to have a 3rd wire connected in the outlets. What should I do?
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Remove the outlet cover screw. Plug it in. Put the outlet cover screw back in through the hole in the tab on the plug.

Even though older homes were wired with two prong outlets, the in-wall wiring usually used three conductor cable with the safety ground connected to the metal outlet box (same with the metal boxes for light fixtures).

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Old 1st May 2012, 05:43 PM   #22856
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as opposed to mass marketing, one has a little
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It also just shows how ignorant many of the high end manufacturers are.

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Remove the outlet cover screw. Plug it in. Put the outlet cover screw back in through the hole in the tab on the plug.

Even though older homes were wired with two prong outlets, the in-wall wiring usually used three conductor cable with the safety ground connected to the metal outlet box (same with the metal boxes for light fixtures).

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Yes, BX cable had and outside metal sheath and they didn't have plastic work boxes back then. You might still want to check the outlet with one of those little thingies with the three lights.
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Indeed, an issue but not necessarily a problem.
You can arrange for (experiment with) pads placed between mic and carpet. Difference in reflectivity and difference in surface area are the tuning parameters.

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George,
I had some trepidation in doing an actual music recording since I know a few folks who do this very seriously and was sure there were going to be several "rookie" mistakes. I thank Rob Danielson for pointing out the same rig with omni capsules made nature recordings that were a little too bright and recommended the cartiod capsules to temper this. As you noticed the image is a little flattened front to back, the omnis get the opposite comment in this regard (some of my fields recordings were almost binaural to some). As I said in my article this is where engineering and art coincide.
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Unfortunately, my apartment is old enough NOT to have a 3rd wire connected in the outlets. What should I do?
I've been assured by a real Master Electrician that it's (USA) code to install a GFI outlet in place of a two wire outlet.

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