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Old 18th April 2012, 08:30 PM   #22411
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Without even looking at the link..{which I cannot.}

I always consider the distinction between causality and correlation. It is never wise to use Ice Cream Science as a way of life.....
So you lied when said that my generalisation was wrong. You indeed even won't consider reading what can't be explained using your belief system.
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Old 18th April 2012, 08:31 PM   #22412
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Ok, how can you explain graphs obtained by Dean Raden....
You mean this Dean Radin?

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http://www.explorejournal.com/articl...180-2/abstract
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Old 18th April 2012, 08:38 PM   #22413
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You mean this Dean Radin?

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You left off the rest of it! (DB Paper) Are you hiding important new discoveries? (Well at least good humor...)

Then there was the local University that sponsored a conference on "Creation Science." I missed it, but did "scientists" attend? I have trouble believing these are of the same outlook that John (N) regards well.

Of course the University administration was surprised and embarrassed when they "found out" about the conference from the publicity afterwards.

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You mean this Dean Radin?

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I expected SY that you will chime in to attack the messenger making fun of him, instead of considering his message.


So, John, if SY is scientist, he proved once more on his own example that you were wrong defending scientists.

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I missed it, but did "scientists" attend?
No, probably not. Biologists generally spend as much time worrying about that as chemists do about phlogiston and earth/fire/air/water theories.

BTW, if the conference is the one I think it is, you have some of the facts wrong- the university didn't sponsor it, they just rented space. That was still quite embarrassing to them.
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I expected SY that you will chime in to attack the messenger making fun of him, instead of considering his message.


So, John, if SY is scientist, he proved once more on his own example that you were wrong defending scientists.

So you're saying that this is not stuff published by Radin? I've been faked out?
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Old 18th April 2012, 08:44 PM   #22417
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The only way that I know how to 'prove' if I am on the right track is to have people that I do not know, to like it, and even admire the effort, especially when whatever I have made has not been marketed in any way, except to hope that people will try it.
The idea that there is, or was, advanced marketing behind the Vendetta Research SCP-2, for example, is nonsense. It was successful (for the most part) because I tried everything that I could think of, to make it as 'perfect' as possible. I still made mistakes, and these 'oversights' were reflected in the A,B,C, and D mods that came out, over the years as I came to realize their sonic importance.
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Old 18th April 2012, 08:49 PM   #22418
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So you lied when said that my generalisation was wrong.
Stating such certainly does not make it accurate. Re-read what has been stated please.

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You indeed even won't consider reading what can't be explained using your belief system.
No, I stated that I cannot look at the link. I did not state that I refuse to as a result of my belief systems. Please do not make that error again.

The fact that someone found correlation between two entities does not mean causation, nor does it even mean a link exists. That does not hinder some from creating fiction to account for the correlation found in a dataset.

Ice cream science is NOT science, contrary to the use of the word "science" in the description.

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More on Dean Radin and the 911 graphs:

An evening with Dean Radin - SkepticReport

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Old 18th April 2012, 09:05 PM   #22420
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ke that error again.

The fact that someone found correlation between two entities does not mean causation, nor does it even mean a link exists. That does not hinder some from creating fiction to account for the correlation found in a dataset.
John, it has nothing to do with causations. It all is about correlation, nothing more, Just results of experiments that have no explanation. You reaction speaks against your statement about scientists: you are trying already to argue prior to reading conditions of the problem.
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