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Old 13th November 2011, 05:09 PM   #17851
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Everything you can measure is probably thousands of times better, but is the best modern reproduction a thousand times better.
Well, hundreds, anyway. Hugely better than when I was a youngster, and that was less than half a century ago.
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interestingly one of the best recordings I have was recorded over 50 years ago. "Ella and Louis". recoded in 1956.

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Tony: But if you played it back with the best equipment of 1956 versus now?

Actually, if they were still alive, you could make a far more realistic sounding recording now than you could then. The colorations from the mikes and studio electronics (not to mention the noise) are attractive and still sought after. But we can make things far more neutral these days, if that's what we want to do. I wish more engineers/producers thought that way...
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Tony, I agree with you. It is almost impossible to get the same SUBJECTIVE quality from recordings today as they sometimes did in the '50's and early 60's.
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Old 14th November 2011, 03:15 AM   #17855
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interestingly one of the best recordings I have was recorded over 50 years ago. "Ella and Louis". recoded in 1956.

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Agreed. I have it as well and it is one of my favorites. I also agree with John regarding sound quality of some jazz recordings from the early sixties. Attempts to digitize them kill the original natural sound.
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This is the HEART of the matter PMA and Thorsten. We have to address the issues from microphone to speaker to get the same 'emotion' or 'reality' from a recorded performance. Is it because of tubes, and their attendant transformers? Is it because class A was standard, and non-operational amplifier type circuits were used? Is it because they didn't use digital at all, even hidden digital, such as a preview digital delay for record recording? Is it because they tried their very best, with no excuses, to make the best sound possible? These are the important questions, not some spec..
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Attempts to digitize them kill the original natural sound.
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Tony, I agree with you. It is almost impossible to get the same SUBJECTIVE quality from recordings today as they sometimes did in the '50's and early 60's.
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Attempts to digitize them kill the original natural sound.
Do please elucidate as to how these attempts were made? Bit depths, dither, sample rates, pre-emphasis or whatever - the details will make interesting reading.
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PMA, all my reference recordings are ANALOG entirely, and go back to the mid 1950's. That is all that I can find, except for some Sheffield Direct Discs (analog) that give me 'reality' even for a few moments.
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