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Old 10th March 2011, 05:10 AM   #10921
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Centre-tapping does indeed make all the difference to my earlier advice. Nice one
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Old 10th March 2011, 05:11 AM   #10922
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Oooh se, its great when you get all philosophical Yes it is still a transformer ontologically, but no its not one existentially. Any help?
I transform, therefore I am.

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Old 10th March 2011, 05:15 AM   #10923
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Centre-tapping does indeed make all the difference to my earlier advice. Nice one
Well, there are also the so-called "grid chokes" which have massive amounts of inductance.

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Old 10th March 2011, 05:21 AM   #10924
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So they're chokes, ergo they don't count. 'I choke, therefore I am (not)' doesn't have the same ring about it.
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Old 10th March 2011, 05:31 AM   #10925
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So they're chokes, ergo they don't count. 'I choke, therefore I am (not)' doesn't have the same ring about it.
Has marketing done any focus group testing on this yet?

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Old 10th March 2011, 05:39 AM   #10926
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Marketing would need to know what answer you wanted, a priori. Then they'd apply some techniques like this one :

http://users.aims.ac.za/~mackay/probability/survey.html
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Old 10th March 2011, 06:27 AM   #10927
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I have to agree with jcx in this case "no signal no noise" does not really apply the noise in the system is a signal. At thermal equilibrium the eddy current losses will be accounted for, i.e. if I take a transformer and resitively terminate it at both ends the losses will show up in the resulting input/output terminal measurements.

Which is another way of saying I have not observed a transformer losing the ability to pass a low level signal even to the point of the thermal noise of its terminations.

This also brings back fond memories of the guy down under that wound 300,000 turns of wire on a bundle of rebar and measured the Schumann resonance (pico-Teslas)
In support of your claim about working down to low levels, EM Electronics range of miniature amplifier modules for high resolution temperature measurement and calorimetry. Resolve micro degrees with Thermocouples. measures down to picovolts with a transformer front end, thats lower than most here.

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Old 10th March 2011, 06:46 AM   #10928
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I find it rather puzzling that people who fret about what kind of capacitor to insert in a signal path at any signal level don't have the slightest compunction to inserting a transformer in the signal path and one with a ferrous core in it at that. To make matters even more bizarre, they are ready to insert it at the very lowest signal level in the circuit where any noise and distortion it introduces will be amplified with the maximum gain possible. This where the alternative to what is just one more atavism that pervades and characterizes audiophiledom is obvious. Where I come from that is not called engineering.

At the very least, the problem of providing adequate signal levels for modern amplifiers should be solved where the problem is created in the first place, with the people who manufacture MC cartridges. If they can't provide a suitable signal best suited to the peculiarities of their own product, why is it the responsibility of the preamplifier designer to invent a one size fits all solution especially when there are so many variables among alternative MC cartridges?
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Old 10th March 2011, 08:48 AM   #10930
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Well, there are also the so-called "grid chokes" which have massive amounts of inductance.

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Or a transformer whose secondary is connected to a grid of a pentode (not uncommon). The voltage is taken from the secondary, but essentially is unloaded.
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