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Old 5th March 2011, 03:16 PM   #10591
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Not so fast there now - a lot is revealed when a person writes their review/opinion about a product so yes, we probably can determine a lot about the bias, etc. Don't discount it so readily.
So for you when a reviewer describes "veils" being removed in a review do you conclude he (she) is an accurate reporter, or not. How much "air" around instrument sonic images in a review is the optimum to conclude that the reviewer knows his (her) stuff? Does the reviewer even report what he (she) actually heard...or simply construct the review to illustrate that his (her) golden ears are indeed 24K?
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Old 5th March 2011, 03:20 PM   #10592
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I buy my specs from the local $2.00 shop, and for the princely sum of $12.00 I got 6 pairs that cover the whole range of powers available.
Once I worked out which ones suit me (different ones for general or detail close up work) I went back and got some more.
This way I always have spares on hand to cover those accidents like getting sat on and no paying some 'expert'.

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Old 5th March 2011, 03:24 PM   #10593
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Howard, please lighten up. IF you find so MANY SCAMMERS in your life, then you are like a police officer, seeing a potential 'criminal' in every person...
Hi John, sorry to come off so heavy on this issue, indeed I have had the same experience as you, and have only met a few people in the audio biz who were intentionally deceiving to make a sale. I will moderate my hyperbole in the future.

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I have NOT met very many audio 'scammers', yet I probably know more audio accessory manufacturers than you do. Why? Is it because I am an innocent bystander, who 'believes' in everyone? I don't think so. It is BECAUSE I trust my ears. This is helpful to me. Throwing out any potential scams that get past my listening evaluation, may be useful, but not useful enough to throw everybody with a strange idea out the door. Please consider this.
As you state for yourself, I am usually the odd man out who thinks there is a difference between amplifiers, etc., when others around me claim to not hear it, so I understand your point. I think I have been successful at limiting my inherent suspicion of ideas to the realm of investment schemes for the following reason: the audiophile market is so small, anyone who thinks they are going to get rich quick (the scammer creed) doesn't even consider making audio equipment. This is in contrast to the investment scheme arena where there is a LOT of money to be made just by getting initial funding and leaving town.

I hope you notice I do not weigh in on any technology that I have not personally spent time evaluating. I can have my own ideas, and if they conflict with the inventor's, well, I may ask for clarification, but I will not throw out an idea without due diligence.

The reason I am interested in this forum is for the input of designers like yourself who have had insight into the subtle factors which separate great from good equipment. These differences are there, I hear them in my own equipment at home AND at the radio station, so I am not a disbeliever in general!

One thing I would contribute to the discussion regarding subtle sound differences: There are cases, especially in a studio environment but also at home, when the signal is not present and the noise floor sounds clean, but in the presence of signal, ground current noise modulates the signal. Triple shielded power transformers and separate ground drains for the interstitial shield have historically worked well, but no equipment I know of currently utilizes this technology, so there is often of power line and ground leakage causing HF contamination, if not hum.

My cure for this historically has been to utilize transformer isolation for cables interfacing with remote rooms. It is the only way I have been able to easily stop a multitude of different noise effects. Historically I used UTC A-20s, but due to their inavailability I currently use Jensen JT-11s. Within their headroom limits, the sonic benefits of complete galvanic isolation are tremendous, but to get to the point: it occurs to me that this may be some of the reason that in certain circumstances tube equipment can sound better in an audiophile context. Just my $0.02 worth.

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Old 5th March 2011, 03:24 PM   #10594
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Kevin, I'm not going to get into a discussion of exactly what criteria, keywords, etc are important, what I'm saying is that with the "intelligent" reading of end-user reviews & other research such as parts & devices used, layout & design, etc i.e as much info as is considered appropriate for the evaluation, a good picture can be ascertained. No hard & fast rules for this but a lot can be gleaned in this way.
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Old 5th March 2011, 03:33 PM   #10595
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Howard, I consider input and output transformers a FIX, rather than optimum audio design. Yes, they work, but at what price in sound and money?
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Old 5th March 2011, 03:34 PM   #10596
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I worked at a Michael Buble concert last night....thousands of stunning women at the show going crazy, but you won't find his records in my collection.

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Who dat, Mike Bubble?? You mean Michel Boo-bley accent grave over the e, never heard of him. I hear Liszt garnered the same treatment.

Soundminded - How about Brendel playing Liszt? I had a friend (professor of art history) who lamented the current lack of highly individual musicians with eccentric technique and interpretation such as Joseph Szigeti for instance. He also liked stinky Burgundy and old style Barolo (5yr. in giant ancient chestnut casks) like me.
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Old 5th March 2011, 03:47 PM   #10597
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I had a friend (professor of art history) who lamented the current lack of highly individual musicians with eccentric technique and interpretation such as Joseph Szigeti for instance.
He'd never been to Russia, I'd guess.

Szegeti's technique was fine, but his cadenzas were awful.

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Old 5th March 2011, 03:51 PM   #10598
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[snip]But, if all controls give consistent data and you get test results in which you trust (under the constraints of statistical and scientific reasoning) it might be the same results that Joshua got right from the beginning.
Yes that's possible. In fact, I expect it to be the case in 50% of the cases, roughly. Either Joshua says he can hear a difference and a controlled test confirms it or not.
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Old 5th March 2011, 04:13 PM   #10599
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He'd never been to Russia, I'd guess.

Szegeti's technique was fine, but his cadenzas were awful.

John
He was never in France or Italy either, I'm not a music expert but I have enjoyed his selection of recordings.
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Yes that's possible. In fact, I expect it to be the case in 50% of the cases, roughly. Either Joshua says he can hear a difference and a controlled test confirms it or not.
So?

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