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Old 22nd February 2011, 05:21 PM   #10041
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Even different power outlets have a big impact on the sound, though I have no clue why is it so.
Big effects I am not so sure of. But since audio gear draws large peak currents albeit small RMS ones differences in source resistance of the AC will reduce peak power available and the actual operating voltage of unregulated circuitry.

Actual audio gear current draw at 100mv/amp. From a 120 Volt AC line.
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Old 22nd February 2011, 05:23 PM   #10042
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Old 22nd February 2011, 05:23 PM   #10043
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serious challenges to the physics I currently believe
I think it is clear from my comment that I was talking about learning physics from MIT et al, not audio. You appeared to be suggesting that I have a closed mind because I still believe what I was taught at university. As you were not there at the time, you will have no idea what things I challenged and questioned. Suffice to say that I don't believe things just because someone told me to!

Some of the things claimed by certain audiophiles are simply bad physics; some are not even that good, being essentially empty phrases and recycled buzzwords. I am not a hard-line objectivist, but I am certainly not a wooly-minded post-modern 'audiophile' either.
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Old 22nd February 2011, 05:28 PM   #10044
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Yes.

But so what?

Most any instrument you care to name produces 7th harmonics. And 9th, and 11th, and 13th, 14th, 15th, and so on.

But I don't see anyone saying these instruments sound like crap because they produce 7th harmonics or any other harmonics that are dissonant with the music scale.

Maybe those who insist on only listening to music made with pure tones would have a problem with these harmonics. But beyond that, I don't see any particular merit to the argument.

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Steve, the problem with the 7th harmonic is that it sounds flat and shitey. Sure, it exists in the overtone structure of instruments but that's for flavour, timbre. You don't want to add more of it in your reproduction system. It sticks out.

See here:

Avoiding the 7th harmonic

It's been a problem for for Western and Eastern musical theorists for over two thousand years.
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Old 22nd February 2011, 05:35 PM   #10045
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Old 22nd February 2011, 05:44 PM   #10046
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Likely because you continue to refuse to accept the hanky panky that goes on in the head department.
You say that based on what?
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Old 22nd February 2011, 05:49 PM   #10047
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You say that based on what?
About 150 years of experimental psychology.
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Old 22nd February 2011, 05:52 PM   #10048
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I never said that audiophiles perform tweaks after reading. More likely, they read a few books and then offer spurious 'explanations' of what they believe they have heard by using buzzwords learnt from the books.
I offer no explanations, neither to myself nor to others.
I care about the way any change affects the sound of my system, I don't care much about explanations, because of I know that probably there are no valid explanations.

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That must be why I generally ignore anything that type of 'real audiophile' says. Wiser people have heard of the placebo effect, and so don't fully trust their own ears let alone other people's ears.
You ignore what audiophiles say based on the assumption that what they say is based on placebo effect only. It seems that you never really examined this assumption of yours.

The amusing thing is that those 'objectivists' who discard any phenomena they cannot explain, in the name of truth, reality and science, do it in the most unscientific way, out of unchecked assumptions.
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Old 22nd February 2011, 06:00 PM   #10049
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Big effects I am not so sure of. But since audio gear draws large peak currents albeit small RMS ones differences in source resistance of the AC will reduce peak power available and the actual operating voltage of unregulated circuitry.

Actual audio gear current draw at 100mv/amp. From a 120 Volt AC line.
Well, you are not sure about the big effect. To my experience, to my ears, the effect is very big.

Again, I don't know how and why.
It may well be the large peaks current draw and it may be something else. However I have no clue as to why there are such big differences in the sound of my system between power distributors from different makes (both are costly distributors from well known Japanese makers).

Hearing is believing, in this case.
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Old 22nd February 2011, 06:01 PM   #10050
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Nothing a 5 dollar outlet can't fix.
My experience shows it isn't so.
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