Grumpy Old Men

[Cal Weldon]

Originally posted by brianco
I am now 67

I hope I'm still doing this in 20 years. Good on you brianco.

[audiojoy]

BRIANCO

Not sure what point you are trying to make regarding your medical diagnosis and diyhifi. No one is disputing that measurements are totally irrelevent.

However subtle changes in sound can be made with many unconventional tweaks. The penny one I have not tried but read of many times. Wrapping 5 cm of copper wire around a two meter speaker cable will alter the sound, if your ears are up to it and the system is very sensitive. Indeed the type of material used in the wire copper, silver etc will again affect the sound, as will the thickness of the wire. Now this I am certain with a little application of basic physics can be explained. But if not readily obvious you can come up with a theory using basic science knowledge then try to prove or disprove it. Unfortunately a lot of these 'grumpy old men' in my opinion cannot think beyond the original proposal of the idea, so get irritated, frustrated at their own lack of an explanation and then try and take it out on the poster.


In medicine there are a large proportion of clinical presentations which are unexplainable and do not fit a simple proven category even after exhaustive tests. Indeed a considerable number of popular medications still have no explanation as to why they work. We do not have all the answers in Medicine in fact i would say we are still a long way off from fully understanding how the human body functions. Over and above this are the even more obscure phenomena of homeopathy, herbal medicine, reflexology acupuncture etc etc for which there is still very limited proven scientific evidence to explain their efficacies. But we are able to see the results and make theories as to why they are effective when no scientific piece of study can fully explain them. With continued research and gaining of evidence these phenomena may be unravelled. But we do not go round taking the Pxxx out of them.

[tinitus]

I think the saying, "You may ask, but may not like the answer", is very valid

I have more than once been "banned" and acused of being a "troll", just from trying to be helpful
In light of the fact that Im always polite and fair, but sets an honor in trying to be be honest, within sensible limits
I find that very strange when I get into such problems, as Im known fore being the most kind person

The problem is usually more that some people take things a bit too serious, and with a bit of uncontrolled temper its bound to go wrong

Also its sometimes exstremely easy to unintentionally place the words so that its completely misunderstood

That I believe seems to be the most common course of problems

[jackpipe]

The latter including myself often have very revealing high end systems which are very sensitive to tiny changes in sound like e.g adding a coin on top of a speaker!! I am assuming part of this is also due to training of the ear to such changes with audio memory, hearing sensitivity etc etc all playing their part. I am fully aware of how subjective this can be but going back and forth should help prove that a change is a change in sound. Unfortunately some find it very hard indeed to believe this. I doubt double blind trials would change their mind either.

hehe, maybe that's why you get such grumpy responses. I am a complete newbie, and I've found people on here pretty helpful, although some posts are ignored, presumably because they're stupid newbie questions.

I like to see measurable facts, myself, but then my ears are made of dense cloth. I'm quite willing to believe that people can hear things that can't be measured.
Apart from voices, and whatnot, that is.
Perhaps our measuring technology isn't sensitive enough, and so on.
However, I'm not willing to abandon the scientific method. If you claim a difference, prove it with double blind tests. Anything less is just poetry, IMHO.

[tinitus]

Placing something on top of a speaker should be visible on measurements
Differense is also audible, no big deal

[Cal Weldon]

Moved to off topic.

[audiojoy]

still confused by a lot of the posts here.

Not sure where the impression that i did not believe in measurement came into all this. If it can be measured then great i'm all for that. Most of the time i would not know what parameter to measure especially if it were a rather unusal idea and i would probably not have the equipment either.

Anyway. there is probably only a few out there that spoil the show out of thousands that are helpful. But either my style of writing or my absolute belief in my findings constantly seem to irritate the mninority who are there to be irritated or are there waiting to be irritated or are really 'lovely people' but are having an off week due to lifes stresses and slip up with comments that come across as very condescending.

I now have a short fuse myself as i have been bombarded with irritating comments since day one to this forum. Look at that idiot on my Yamaha Thread who would not let the irritation drop, or my small contribution to the shigaclone where i had several harassment belittling comments aimed directly at me and my ideas- from one person. Now you gonna really laugh at this its got so bad that even the moderator took the **** out of my ideas just have a read of the piezobee.

The bottom line is that if we are all civilised human beings there is never an excuse to being rude, jealous condescending or arrogant. If you are having an off day, tough, you should control your feelings and thoughts.


I am here to stay and contribute so get use to it.