UK Law query

john blackburn · 7th March 2009, 10:24 PM

What is the legal position of offering a safely completed diy amp for sale in the UK?

The lack of CE markings or safety testing of any kind makes me think it would be illegal to sell, though I'm no expert.

Any information would be welcome.

John

Geek · 8th March 2009, 01:39 AM

No CE, no sale.

A fellow in the US sold a custom amp to a fellow in Denmark (IIRC) and is now getting his butt sued off.

Unless there's a CE certificate attached, a kit is the only option.

Cheers!

Bone · 8th March 2009, 09:40 AM

John, see - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_mark

Tony

john blackburn · 8th March 2009, 12:29 PM

Well that seems to answer that one, I dont have the budget for high powered lawyers.

Thanks for the info.

John

GK · 8th March 2009, 02:42 PM

Just demand a cash payment and don't give a receipt!

john blackburn · 8th March 2009, 05:00 PM

I wonder if I could word it that I am "assembling components" rather than selling a completed device?

It's one of those The Devil is in the detail jobs, there was never going to be a receipt! They would be for a couple of mates who have heard my assorted chipamps and fancy one of their own.

How is the Land Rover coming on Glen? I still miss mine something rotten but with recent fuel costs it's not really an option at the moment.

John

GK · 9th March 2009, 09:33 AM

Hi John. If you're selling this to a mate is there really going to be a problem?

Have been a bit slack with the Landrover, but am nearly ready to start the engine. It's the little fiddly bits that are the most time consuming (dizzy rebuild, DC generator bearings, brushes, wiring loom, starter motor rebuild, etc, etc ).
We're pretty lucky in this part of the world regarding fuel prices and the cost of vehicle ownership (but still complain a lot). Fortunatley the price of fuel has gone the way of the economy.

Cheers,
Glen

john blackburn · 9th March 2009, 11:36 PM

Hi Glen

The last 10% of owt takes 70% of the time but it's what makes the difference.

Strayed across an article about electrolitic rust removal a bit since,
there's stuff here

I also saw a complete chassis being done on one site but cant find it now. It looks very useful to me, I wish I had known about it years ago.

John

GK · 10th March 2009, 10:01 AM

Hmm that looks interesting. Unfortunately all the parts that would have fit into a bucket have been power brushed and painted already!

I did at one stage comtemplate sending the chassis out to be galvanised, after seeing it done on an English mechanical "how to" video I've got called "A 4 by 4 is born". Can't remember the presenter/mechanics name right now but it went about 4 hours and detailed the ground up building of a wild Landrover using a Series 2A 109" body fitted to a Defender V8 chassis with fully articulated suspension.

Sanity prevailed in the end (it's only going to be a bush bash hack after all) and I just slopped the paint on the chassis instead.

Cheers,
Glen

EDIT:
Here it is:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/X-Born-DVD-M.../dp/B00064674I

Really good series. If only I had more time and money.

john blackburn · 10th March 2009, 07:06 PM

Hi Glen.

The DVD would only set me off wanting one again. A good V8 coilsprung 2A lightweight with a gas conversion would do me nicely. Superchargers are getting much smaller these days too.

We got the Megasquirted Zetec turbo running a while back, very impressed indeed. Even with just the base mapping it runs very well and has shown up all the weaknesses in his MK4 Escort handling. The owner is now doing a Sierra floorpan graft into the Escort to rearwheel drive it. Huge smokey doughnuts here we come.

I know what you mean about a workshop being needed. It's for the best I don't have one mindst, I have more than enough stuff/scrap hanging about as it is.

A mate was doing some work on a tuned Ford Lightning and gave me a run out in it. It had some RIDICULOUS horse power and a flimsy ladder chassis and 1960s suspension.

Imagine a Mark 1 Transit van with 400 horsepower and that's roughly what it drove like. The brakes were useless and the steering left loads to be desired but in a straightish line it was very quick and sounded fantastic. If you get the chance for a thrash in one give it a go and smell the fear!

You cant call yours a hack, not unless they have very different concours rules down under.

John

7th March 2009, 10:24 PM	#1
john blackburn diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wirral UK	UK Law query What is the legal position of offering a safely completed diy amp for sale in the UK? The lack of CE markings or safety testing of any kind makes me think it would be illegal to sell, though I'm no expert. Any information would be welcome. John

8th March 2009, 01:39 AM	#2
Geek GlassFET diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Rosedale, BC Blog Entries: 4	No CE, no sale. A fellow in the US sold a custom amp to a fellow in Denmark (IIRC) and is now getting his butt sued off. Unless there's a CE certificate attached, a kit is the only option. Cheers! __________________ -= Gregg =- Hobby and communites: GeeK ZonE - Commercial site: classicvalve.ca - diyAudio Blog - GeeK's Bench

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8th March 2009, 09:40 AM	#3
Bone diyAudio Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Dorset, UK	John, see - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_mark Tony

8th March 2009, 12:29 PM	#4
john blackburn diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wirral UK	Well that seems to answer that one, I dont have the budget for high powered lawyers. Thanks for the info. John

8th March 2009, 02:42 PM	#5
GK Account Disabled Join Date: Jan 2006	Just demand a cash payment and don't give a receipt!

8th March 2009, 05:00 PM	#6
john blackburn diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wirral UK	I wonder if I could word it that I am "assembling components" rather than selling a completed device? It's one of those The Devil is in the detail jobs, there was never going to be a receipt! They would be for a couple of mates who have heard my assorted chipamps and fancy one of their own. How is the Land Rover coming on Glen? I still miss mine something rotten but with recent fuel costs it's not really an option at the moment. John

9th March 2009, 09:33 AM	#7
GK Account Disabled Join Date: Jan 2006	Hi John. If you're selling this to a mate is there really going to be a problem? Have been a bit slack with the Landrover, but am nearly ready to start the engine. It's the little fiddly bits that are the most time consuming (dizzy rebuild, DC generator bearings, brushes, wiring loom, starter motor rebuild, etc, etc ). We're pretty lucky in this part of the world regarding fuel prices and the cost of vehicle ownership (but still complain a lot). Fortunatley the price of fuel has gone the way of the economy. Cheers, Glen

9th March 2009, 11:36 PM	#8
john blackburn diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wirral UK	Hi Glen The last 10% of owt takes 70% of the time but it's what makes the difference. Strayed across an article about electrolitic rust removal a bit since, there's stuff here I also saw a complete chassis being done on one site but cant find it now. It looks very useful to me, I wish I had known about it years ago. John

10th March 2009, 10:01 AM	#9
GK Account Disabled Join Date: Jan 2006	Hmm that looks interesting. Unfortunately all the parts that would have fit into a bucket have been power brushed and painted already! I did at one stage comtemplate sending the chassis out to be galvanised, after seeing it done on an English mechanical "how to" video I've got called "A 4 by 4 is born". Can't remember the presenter/mechanics name right now but it went about 4 hours and detailed the ground up building of a wild Landrover using a Series 2A 109" body fitted to a Defender V8 chassis with fully articulated suspension. Sanity prevailed in the end (it's only going to be a bush bash hack after all) and I just slopped the paint on the chassis instead. Cheers, Glen EDIT: Here it is: http://www.amazon.co.uk/X-Born-DVD-M.../dp/B00064674I Really good series. If only I had more time and money.

10th March 2009, 07:06 PM	#10
john blackburn diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wirral UK	Hi Glen. The DVD would only set me off wanting one again. A good V8 coilsprung 2A lightweight with a gas conversion would do me nicely. Superchargers are getting much smaller these days too. We got the Megasquirted Zetec turbo running a while back, very impressed indeed. Even with just the base mapping it runs very well and has shown up all the weaknesses in his MK4 Escort handling. The owner is now doing a Sierra floorpan graft into the Escort to rearwheel drive it. Huge smokey doughnuts here we come. I know what you mean about a workshop being needed. It's for the best I don't have one mindst, I have more than enough stuff/scrap hanging about as it is. A mate was doing some work on a tuned Ford Lightning and gave me a run out in it. It had some RIDICULOUS horse power and a flimsy ladder chassis and 1960s suspension. Imagine a Mark 1 Transit van with 400 horsepower and that's roughly what it drove like. The brakes were useless and the steering left loads to be desired but in a straightish line it was very quick and sounded fantastic. If you get the chance for a thrash in one give it a go and smell the fear! You cant call yours a hack, not unless they have very different concours rules down under. John

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