Go Back   Home > Forums > >
Home Forums Rules Articles diyAudio Store Blogs Gallery Wiki Register Donations FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Instruments and Amps Everything that makes music, Especially including instrument amps.

Crossover in a stompbox
Crossover in a stompbox
Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11th January 2016, 08:40 PM   #1
MitchMev is offline MitchMev
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Default Crossover in a stompbox

I'm trying to implement a crossover in a stompbox. I am loosely modeling the Klon Centaur, which uses signal splitting to distort the high frequencies and pass the low frequencies cleanly.

I am not knowledgeable enough to do an in-depth circuit analysis of the Centaur, but I want to take that idea and implement an original design. The best/easiest way I can think of is to split the signal (currently the output of a clean boost stage) into a high-pass filter and a low-pass filter of the same cutoff frequency. So essentially, I'm including a crossover within the pedal.

I have a few questions about this.

1) First of all, is this a plausible way to go about this design?
2) When I model it in Multisim, the TL072 opamps aren't functioning properly if I use with a single-supply of 9v (or any value or that matter). It only works when I use a split-supply (one positive and one negative). My understanding is this shouldn't matter in real application as long as the supply has enough headroom and exceeds the minimum total supply voltage required by the chip. Is this correct?
3) Also, what is a good crossover frequency? I'm thinking probably something like 1k or 2k? Or should I go a lot higher, like 10k?

I'll see if I think of anything else to ask.
  Reply With Quote
Old 11th January 2016, 10:17 PM   #2
leadbelly is offline leadbelly  Canada
diyAudio Member
 
leadbelly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Crossover in a stompbox
Quote:
Originally Posted by MitchMev View Post
1) First of all, is this a plausible way to go about this design?
2) When I model it in Multisim, the TL072 opamps aren't functioning properly if I use with a single-supply of 9v (or any value or that matter). It only works when I use a split-supply (one positive and one negative). My understanding is this shouldn't matter in real application as long as the supply has enough headroom and exceeds the minimum total supply voltage required by the chip. Is this correct?
3) Also, what is a good crossover frequency? I'm thinking probably something like 1k or 2k? Or should I go a lot higher, like 10k?
1) Yes, that's the only way to go about it.
2) Did you model a passive rail splitter (2 resistors plus cap) and then use it to bias all the opamp inputs? TL072 needs a bipolar supply.
3) Good luck on finding the "right" frequency, as I think all these kind of pedals use techniques to prevent reverse engineering. My personal opinion would be to try 500 Hz, but 1kHz would be good too. 10 kHz is out of the question.
__________________
There are still unbridgeable divisions between cultures. How can two peoples ever come to understand each other when one of them is ignorant of TotÚ? Umberto Eco
  Reply With Quote
Old 12th January 2016, 09:27 PM   #3
MitchMev is offline MitchMev
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
It doesn't work with the 4.5v reference voltage either. The output is a DC signal. I guess I'll just go with dual-supply for now. When I breadboard it I'll definitely try the split-supply though.

If all else fails, I'll use a charge pump in the final design to get +/- 9v. Or I could try this:
Click the image to open in full size.
I'm not planning a super high gain circuit, so I imagine +/- 4v should be enough.

Edit: I've got another question:

If I'm using active filters, is there any advantage to using a separate gain stage for the clipping, or would it be just as effective to do the filtering in the clipping stage? I suppose it would be easier to manipulate the cutoff frequencies and the gain if they were in separate stages, but I'd like to limit the number of IC's I use on my board, in order to save space.

Last edited by MitchMev; 12th January 2016 at 09:54 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 24th January 2016, 02:30 AM   #4
MitchMev is offline MitchMev
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
So right now the only issue I have is a phase shift between the two signals (anywhere from 40 to 60 degrees depending, of course, on the frequency). I can see how it affects the waveforms but I don't exactly see any detrimental cancellations.

Is it worth looking into phase correction, using either another gain stage or inductors? Seeing as this is a pedal (with potentially 6 knobs), I'm trying to conserve space.

Will this most certainly have a negative effect on the tone shaping of this pedal or should I just follow through with the prototyping and see if it sounds alright? I'd rather not have to make big changes to the design after I have prototyped it. Small changes, of course, are inevitable.
  Reply With Quote
Old 25th January 2016, 04:29 PM   #5
leadbelly is offline leadbelly  Canada
diyAudio Member
 
leadbelly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Crossover in a stompbox
Ignore the phase issue.
__________________
There are still unbridgeable divisions between cultures. How can two peoples ever come to understand each other when one of them is ignorant of TotÚ? Umberto Eco
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Crossover in a stompboxHide this!Advertise here!
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Volume pot in a stompbox MitchMev Instruments and Amps 7 6th January 2016 06:56 PM
DIY Stompbox (Foot Bass Drum) Kvetch Instruments and Amps 2 12th October 2012 01:34 PM
My DIY stompbox Dr. Zoidberg Instruments and Amps 7 17th December 2010 08:17 PM
Stompbox problem lukeareid Instruments and Amps 0 16th December 2008 02:56 PM
help in changing cap values for a disto stompbox pinkanarchy Parts 3 22nd June 2008 03:26 PM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 05:42 PM.


Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Resources saved on this page: MySQL 15.79%
vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright ©1999-2018 diyAudio
Wiki