unfortunately, I think manufacturer have used woofers where they they dont even know the proper specs
I suspect that they at times maybe even havent tried to calculate or sim a box properly
and they might use crappy drivers
often it appears like a hit and miss design
and good looks have priority
not much luck there either
man, I seem to be in bad mode today
on the good side, it shouldnt be too hard to do better
some of the difficult aspect of manufaturers problems...cost, size, weight...and looks
I suspect that they at times maybe even havent tried to calculate or sim a box properly
and they might use crappy drivers
often it appears like a hit and miss design
and good looks have priority
not much luck there either
man, I seem to be in bad mode today
on the good side, it shouldnt be too hard to do better
some of the difficult aspect of manufaturers problems...cost, size, weight...and looks
Bass guitars (depending on style of course) have surprisingly wide bandwidth. Its been a while since I gigged but I had two 4x10's sealed using 10's specially for bass guitar. Great transient response and a lot of energy in the 2-4kHz region which gives you "speed" It was fantastic for a 4 string bass. Don't think it would go low enough for a 5 string though
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/instruments-amps/32205-bass-guitar-frequency-range.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/instruments-amps/32205-bass-guitar-frequency-range.html
Perhaps a better definition of "ugly" is in order. Is the sound distorted? Does the volume vary depending on the note? Is there any obvious rattlling at particular notes? Do the notes sound "loose" or "tight"?
Finally, you're talking about a total system here with the player, the bass, the amp, the speakers and, finally, the room all having a major effect on the sound. The key to fixing issues is to isolate individual elements as much as possible and address them.
Finally, you're talking about a total system here with the player, the bass, the amp, the speakers and, finally, the room all having a major effect on the sound. The key to fixing issues is to isolate individual elements as much as possible and address them.
hes a good player, id just prefer it if his rig sounded like a quality home audio subwoofer,
but able to get much louder then that 'and' retain its musicality. .
he uses this
Genz-Benz NEOX-212T 600W 2x12 Bass Cabinet: Shop Bass & Other Musical Instruments | Musician's Friend
looks like people like it? guess ill experiment with placement...
or, because its designed to be used 'on stage; it will never sound great in a small room?
Genz-Benz NEOX-212T 600W 2x12 Bass Cabinet: Shop Bass & Other Musical Instruments | Musician's Friend
looks like people like it? guess ill experiment with placement...
or, because its designed to be used 'on stage; it will never sound great in a small room?
It all depends on the style of music.
I love the sound of two SVT cabinets with 8 10's in each for bass. Even better with the Hartke drivers. Sounds great with rotosound strings on a Travis Bean. Great treble and wonderful for a funky slap/pop lead bass style.
But my brother prefers a lot of 18's with his fretless. Just a loto of really low boom boom boom.
Regardless, a sealed cabinet is the way to go IMHO.
I love the sound of two SVT cabinets with 8 10's in each for bass. Even better with the Hartke drivers. Sounds great with rotosound strings on a Travis Bean. Great treble and wonderful for a funky slap/pop lead bass style.
But my brother prefers a lot of 18's with his fretless. Just a loto of really low boom boom boom.
Regardless, a sealed cabinet is the way to go IMHO.
What does this bass player himself think of his sound? Perhaps the reason it sounds ugly is that he likes it that way? I have always hated the rattley tone Chris Squire (of the band Yes) mostly uses.
A 2x12 isn't my personal first choice for bass, I am also more of a 4x10 guy, and showing my age, the old Ampeg 8x10 was a killer cab.
What head does he play through? Have you tried his head through other cabs? Before looking to alter the speaker cab he uses, make sure the speaker cab is the whole problem.
One thing to consider though. WHat you hear coming out your stereo or car system is not a bass guitar coming from an amp. It is commercially recorded bass from some system, but from there is it EQ's and compressed, and even time-massaged, and otherwise mastered to sound a certain way. The last thing that stuff sounds like is a live performance.
A 2x12 isn't my personal first choice for bass, I am also more of a 4x10 guy, and showing my age, the old Ampeg 8x10 was a killer cab.
What head does he play through? Have you tried his head through other cabs? Before looking to alter the speaker cab he uses, make sure the speaker cab is the whole problem.
One thing to consider though. WHat you hear coming out your stereo or car system is not a bass guitar coming from an amp. It is commercially recorded bass from some system, but from there is it EQ's and compressed, and even time-massaged, and otherwise mastered to sound a certain way. The last thing that stuff sounds like is a live performance.
I suspect the answer is along the lines of you're (a) targeting the massaged tones of a recording (b) played through systems designed for small rooms.
Not sure what to think of B-G bass cabs. We never sold any Marshall bass cabs. No one ever asked. Matched backlines went out with Beatle suits. Except for the two giants, Peavey and Fender, everything is pretty specialised these days. (No call for Ampeg guitar amps, either.) But since most guys are running SS amps, bass tone is all about the cabs.
Since this is a DIY forum, check this out:
fEARful™ enclosures for bass/drums/keys
Not sure what to think of B-G bass cabs. We never sold any Marshall bass cabs. No one ever asked. Matched backlines went out with Beatle suits. Except for the two giants, Peavey and Fender, everything is pretty specialised these days. (No call for Ampeg guitar amps, either.) But since most guys are running SS amps, bass tone is all about the cabs.
Since this is a DIY forum, check this out:
fEARful™ enclosures for bass/drums/keys
Be sure to follow the links to the discussions on Talkbass regarding frequency spectra and why targeting true subwoofer response is not always that satisfying for bass guitar reinforcement.
That said, in my experience the fEARful cabinets do get louder down low than the vast majority of commercial bass cabs, and stay pretty clean while doing so.
60ndown, I'd try, for experimental purposes, playing the bass guitar through what you'd consider a decent subwoofer/stereo.
Start with the volume low, turn it up slowly. Those cones will be launched into orbit (just trust me on this one, or find a cheap midbass and turn it up - I used a cheap HTIB woofer).
Bass guitar, played completely clean, is an abusive instrument towards its amplification when turned up.
If you want to clear up the sound a little, consider (I'm assuming there's some form of tone shaping/equilisation available) turning down the low bass, and adding some boost to the midrange - this might clean up the sound a little, taking some stress off, and adding some "punch".
Chris
Start with the volume low, turn it up slowly. Those cones will be launched into orbit (just trust me on this one, or find a cheap midbass and turn it up - I used a cheap HTIB woofer).
Bass guitar, played completely clean, is an abusive instrument towards its amplification when turned up.
If you want to clear up the sound a little, consider (I'm assuming there's some form of tone shaping/equilisation available) turning down the low bass, and adding some boost to the midrange - this might clean up the sound a little, taking some stress off, and adding some "punch".
Chris
Im now aiming at straight, with rolled off lows
real pro PA 15" in small closed box
+ another driver, of some kind
stereo SS amp, with active xo
xo is with +/- gain control
and 40hz high pass
active xo solves another problem
it 'summs' my stereo channel amp
I hope to have control of the 'sound' this way, without EQ
aiming at most possible clean tone
right now I struggle with blurred midbass, and too much midrange
its frustrating
thought it would work simple
but obviously not
seems like I found the reason
impedance matching
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/instruments-amps/146017-bass-speaker-help-24.html
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