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Old 13th February 2006, 06:53 AM   #1
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Default Making a bass cabinet, driver selection.

Electric fretless bassist friend of mine wants me to make him a practise/small gig cab. I am thinking 2x10, but am open to anything.

Mainly acoustic folk rock, nothing heavy, just a percussionist at the moment.

I've not looked into pro-audio drivers before, took a look around the forum, but didn't find anything directly related to my quest.
I need a supplier and suggestions for a good 10" or otherwise to use in this cab. If I can forego a tweeter I will, I personally didn't think they added mutch to live electric bass anyways.

Want it to at least be SWR quality/durability. I am sure that is not very hard at all.

Thank you for your suggestions.
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Old 13th February 2006, 04:19 PM   #2
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Len Moskowitz came up with a tidy little cab for portability and smooth response. I would like to try this or something similar:

http://www.core-sound.com/bottom-article.html

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Old 13th February 2006, 04:37 PM   #3
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There are plenty of good drivers available but like everything else the choice is very subjective, everyone has their favorite. I personally like Electro-Voice, JBL or Eminence as my first choice, but have also used Celestion, Jensen and Pyle. There are other good brands that Iím not familiar with.

Here are some sources:

http://www.usspeaker.com/
http://www.sovtek.com/
http://www.mcminone.com/
http://www.partsexpress.com/
http://www.pyleaudio.com/
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Old 13th February 2006, 10:47 PM   #4
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Thanks for the excellent project link, exactly what I am looking for.

Problem is, there is no longer a Peerless 1759. What is the equivalent model for this? Even peerless archives dont seem to list this model.
No crosseover spec in that link either, but I can work around that.

Any other specific driver recommendations? Preferably stocked by solen.ca.
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Old 17th February 2006, 07:53 AM   #5
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i would goin for two eminence LEGEND BP102 or two Celestion bl10-100 or 150 , usin a tweeter is all depends on the taste of player and the style , the players who r into slapin and popin would like it but i personaly never like it , as u said he s a fretless player that means he s not into slapin and popin , fretless bass has a very warm sound not that bright sound that need a tweeter , but after all it depends on taste , u can find tweeters , crossovers , t/s parameters , cab design software and suggestion cab for each speaker and everythin u want in eminence site , some eminence driveres are using by ampeg and fender for bass cabs , and marshall mostly uses celestion driver for both bass and guitars , ... many days ago i read somewhere that designin bass and guitar cabs much more depends on experience not on parameters that use in design of a hi fi or pa cab .. hope it helps
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Please remember that speakers for home or car audio are a different animal from musical instrument speakers.
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Old 17th February 2006, 07:51 PM   #7
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Yeah, I can't find the 1759 either. The mid is still available at Madisound. Search for "len moskowitz" and it comes up. Madisound may also be able to suggest something in lieu of the 1759.

For more on the build, here is another execution: http://www.billsbest.com/thbasscab.html. He's got a cool bass he built also.

I've got some Eden drivers I'm looking to turn into something similar: small single driver portables.

Let us know if you find a 1759 replacement. Good luck!
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Old 18th February 2006, 01:43 AM   #8
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Convince me why I cannot use an XLS or and XXLS peerless as long as I make sure overexcursion is kept in check.

I've been doing small-club level PA for quite a while, so I know the obvious pitfalls.

http://www.madisound.com/cgi-bin/ind....23795&pid=828
http://www.madisound.com/cgi-bin/ind...23795&pid=1787

Thinking about this one also:
http://www.usspeaker.com/hl-10A-1.htm

Just a little pricey for me though.
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Old 19th February 2006, 08:00 PM   #9
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XLS will sound quite bad because of its rubber suspension. You will lose all the overtones and mid-range that is almost more important in bass playing than low bass itself. This might not be so obvious with a fretless but try slapping and popping (RHCP, Victor Wooten and others) through that XLS and compare to any commercial bass guitar cab.
I'd say specialised bass guitar drivers (like Eminence Gamma series) or PA woofers is the best (and the only) way to go.
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wxn is right. As a (retired) professional bass player, and one who always built my own bass rigs, I can tell you there is a reason why NO professional musical instrument amplifier builder uses rubber surround. Musical instrument speakers are quite "stiff" for a reason.

This is similar to the "stock" speakers in many amplifiers:
http://www.usspeaker.com/Legend105-1.htm


These would be better:

http://www.usspeaker.com/legend%20bp102-1.htm

http://www.usspeaker.com/LEGENDB102-1.htm

http://www.usspeaker.com/evm10dlx-1.htm
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