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Old 13th January 2013, 07:46 PM   #31
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Thank God for this forum or I'd be buying high powered speakers for no reason. I do know there IS a solution though.
Maybe something like this, the Rivera Los Lobottom: http://www.rivera.com/products/powsub/sub2.php
I think Mesa (?) had something similar in their line at one time as well, don't think it was self-powered though.
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Old 13th January 2013, 07:53 PM   #32
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Well, the fact that an SVT can fry speakers isn't exactly a surprise. And I hope by now we've gotten across the idea that if a speaker is not specifically designed to handle the string 'pop' of a guitar or bass, it isn't going to last long at high volumes.

But power handling aside, I think perhaps your issue is one of coherence. Musical instruments don't have crossovers in the bass region. The slap of a bass or the thunk of a bass drum is the result of the waveform being perfectly in phase with itself and I think that maybe you're having trouble because you're trying to "add more" to a 4x12. Remember, the Peavey that set you on this path only had one speaker, so it had to be 'time-aligned'.

What's everyone else think?


(Actually, I know what JM thinks, and I agree - there's a good chance that a slightly oversized 4x12 with EVM12Ls will do just what you want, and you wouldn't need the SVT. (Zach agrees, as well! ))
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Old 13th January 2013, 08:04 PM   #33
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This whole idea started one day when I played my guitar, distorted, through
a Peavey TNT 150 bass combo that has a 15 in it. The bass response was
amazing and it had "kick". All I dreamed of doing from that day on was to get
the same 15" "kick" but louder, as in stage loud. I've played my guitar through
other bass rigs, ie; Hartke's, Ampegs,etc.
Wiith that same result. Wicked bass response from my guitar.
Hi,

Probably true but a pain in the proverbial for a bass player,
live. Do your job, and don't get in the way of anyone else.

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Old 13th January 2013, 08:09 PM   #34
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What about 4x15? (Eminence Delta-Pro 15a's)
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What about 4x15? (Eminence Delta-Pro 15a's)
NOW we are talking
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Old 13th January 2013, 08:28 PM   #36
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but maybe instead consider buying better 12" than you have now
for what you want, I would say 8x 12" .... and you could ofcourse double that if you like
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Old 13th January 2013, 08:43 PM   #37
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did i misread an earlier post your taking the output of your JMP-1 and running that to the input on the svt?

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Old 13th January 2013, 10:08 PM   #38
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talking about overdrive

your SVT is fullfunctional headamp
I dont think its clever to run it at full power ... and then even worse, driving with lots of gain from yet another headamp

overdriving the output stage of a big solid state power amp might not be good at all
do it the other way
try overdrive the input of your SVT instead
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Old 13th January 2013, 10:19 PM   #39
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Probably true but a pain in the proverbial for a bass player, live. Do your job, and don't get in the way of anyone else.
Dude, if one octave is all you need, you got to be the boringest bass player ever!

Seriously, what's with bass players using tens and tweeters? This "get in the way" thing isn't an unheard argument, but it seems like a one-way street.

Let's just say there are plenty of bands with two guitars who both play lead or rhythm at the same time. It's called musicianship.
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but maybe instead consider buying better 12" than you have now
for what you want, I would say 8x 12" .... and you could ofcourse double that if you like
I think the problems start with that when someone actually wants midbass "punch" from their speaker stack. A 12" "guitar" speaker designed for overall sound normally runs with an Fs around 90Hz and a Qts around 1. You can get a lot of boing out of that, but not punch and bottom end extension. To get rock bottom from the guitar you'll have to start with a speaker having a sealed F3 around 72Hz, and to get that you'll need a driver with an Fs around 40Hz.

They don't make any "guitar" speakers like that.

Guitar speakers with a lower Fs (70Hz) and lower Q do exist but start to sound very "forward" and lose character in the higher frequencies. A 2-way with dedicated midbass and top end cabinets might be a lot of cost and effort to get working right, but at least there would be a physical capability for it to perform as desired in the end.
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