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Old 12th November 2012, 07:40 AM   #61
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I got a bunch of ELNAs and a few Black-gates the black gates none I can use though. the ELNAs blew away some Panasonic's and rubycons I tried once, I was amazed of the difference just way better clarity and more musical
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Old 16th November 2012, 07:52 PM   #62
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I was looking at the schem for the Classic 50, and I think they have some jumpered-in resistor options if you look at the power supply feeding the plate and screen supply. The Classic 20, and 30 show similar setups. I am wondering if on a quad set of EL84s there is a reconfiguration done and those 100 ohm are to limit dissipation on the additional EL84 pair, because on the classic 20 the screen supply looks like it is developed simply in the power supply section without additional screen limiters.
I never looked at the 20 or 30. But the classic 100 has the same kind of dropping and filter ladder network as the 50 but then has a seperate 100 ohm resistor for each tube. 100 ohms makes little difference at these voltages, the real screen drop is in the shared supply to all the screens. Going down the ladder as each step reduces votlage, first the main output power tap, then the screens, then the pi and driver B, then the front-end B (first tube stage and also first tube stage in the switched-in 'overdrive' mode) '. Fixed bias on the output stage. So when the output section main power sags, the screen voltage will also dip proportionally because it's farther down the ladder, so it's probably important not to install huge electrolytics or chokes in some parts of that ladder, so the screen never momentarily exceeds the plate if the main sagged and the screen tap maintained voltage longer. That ladder has caps at each tap so there's little or no signal imposed on the supply or screens. Some people have conjectured the screen resistors on only one p/p pair but not the other may be like that to make any current limiting occur over a broader range instead of suddenly. But only 100 ohms doesn't make much difference. I think it's to allow the screens some independence from each other to accomodate tube differences (or perhaps tube failures, the fabled "resistor-fuse"?), like the resistors they often add on everything when putting output transistors in parallel? Maybe they figure letting one p/p pair float a bit from its sister pair is good enough? Maybe it prevents any signal imposed on the screens from affecting its sister screen? Anyway, I'm putting in another pair of 100 ohm screen resistors so both p/p pairs are the same, and I don't really expect it to make one bit of difference. I guess I should think of the original circuit as 100 ohms to make a 'springy' connection between the screens, rather than thinking of it as an additional voltage drop on one p/p pair of screens. Maybe the original designer didn't like the sound of screen resistors and found it combined system recovered from problem condtions with screen resistors on one p/p set? Most likely explanation I've heard is that the seperate resistors are to provide some kind of isolation between screens and two 100 ohm resistors cost a few pennies less to buy & insert than the more elegant 4 50-ohm resistors.

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Old 16th November 2012, 07:59 PM   #63
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OK if the additional 5 watt individual screen resistors are intended to blow if a tube has a problem, I guess the resistor between tubes would prevent it from taking out an additional sister tube?

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Old 16th November 2012, 08:12 PM   #64
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Most likely explanation I've heard is that the seperate resistors are to provide some kind of isolation between screens and two 100 ohm resistors cost a few pennies less to buy & insert than the more elegant 4 50-ohm resistors.
That certainly makes sense and a good point..
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