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Old 15th September 2012, 09:19 AM   #1
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I have been using the PreSonus audiobox recording interface with studio one recording software, and the clipping and distortion is bad with even a bit of vomume. I have tried 3 different amps, all the same. I dont want to use amp modeling, want to use my gear, and was curious if anyone here has any suggestions on a good recording interface that doesnt have the clipping issues and built in preamp problems when using with an amplifier. Something that doesnt require haveing to adjust the recording software to compensate, just plug my amp into it and get similar sounds as to playing my amp live. I also have to keep the volume down where i live, so micing the amp is not an option.
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Old 15th September 2012, 03:29 PM   #2
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how are you plugging your amp into it? a line out? a speaker output? using a speaker output will surely overdrive your interface and could be damaging to your amp. more details please!
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Old 15th September 2012, 03:37 PM   #3
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just plug my amp into it and get similar sounds as to playing my amp live
are you going to use speaker+cab+mic+room simulation in software?

amp going directly in line level recording inputs is something i wouldn't expect. you need a DI box. i call them 'DI boxes' they might be called other name officially. preamp going directly into line level, is ok.

consider using your guitar (or other) amplifier's fx loop as a way to get the preamp (with the tasty tube gain... mmm...) signal to your computer.

there are a million ways to record electric guitar. no one is correct, no one is wrong. Try some, and decide which one sounds good to you
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I have tried several combonations . I have a gIbsonG50 solid stae amp, running out of line out to interface, tried running from preamp out of my peavy pa head, and the one I want to use is my fender supersonic tube amp, which I tried running through preamp out with a dummy oad to speaker, and also disonnected the power amp via the power amp in connected to nothing and running preamp out to interface. None of the above amps sound good, and clip even with the slightest volume. Have. Read that other people have experienced this with this interface. Again, don't want to mic the amp, and don't want to use modeling amps, so looking for possible better recording interface, to keep the sound with what I got.
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Old 15th September 2012, 05:53 PM   #5
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If you're using line out, you need an interface with a line input.

I use the Tascam US-144.
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are you going to use speaker+cab+mic+room simulation in software?

you'd be surprised how horrible the guitar sounds dry from the preamp
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Old 15th September 2012, 09:49 PM   #7
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I have never got a good sound running straight in to the recording system from the amps pre-out.

What did work for me is to run through a amp-cabinet-microphone simulator type of filter either it be a hardware filter or VST software.

In the past I used to run my Marshall 8100 Valvestate into an ART Powerplant rack mount preamp device and the sound was incredible, and then straight into the recording system.

Sadly, I have neither of these units anymore and I cannot seem to find theART Powerplant anywhere, even used.
I had the manual and it had the schematic in it,But I lost that too.

It was quite a device and was a collaboration of some well known designer and was not out for very long and now all of the info that I could find is now gone.
As there was some kind of dispute over a patent or something.
It is sad that such disputes get in the way of what was such a great product.

However it was just a set of filters and there are many good schematics out there of such devices that seem to sound very good by the samples that I have listened to.

Lately I have been using some VST Types that sound great and one in particular that is awesome and uses Impulse Response samples, all for free!

I love the JCM900 VST and the Voxengo cabinet simulator my most favorite setup right now uses the AMP212 VST and/or California Sun Amp VST and a FIR Filter that I can't remember the name right now, as I have all of those files on another drive and it is not hooked up at the moment.

This same filter is just Killer with the JCM900 VST.

As this particular filter is the key to some super sounding setups and I will try to get the name for you later.
Some of these do require some horsepower so I understand not wanting to use a software type because of this.
But there are many that are very hard to beat.

Two more that I would like to mention as well are Amplitube's Fender is hard to beat for clean and blues sounds and the Vibrato is dead on.
Peavy's Revalaver is an incrediable piece of software as it seemed to give me the best feel as well as actually being able to modify the amp internal circuitery on the fly.
Although, These are not freeware.

There are Many many Free great sounding amp sims out there and many that aren't so great.
Out of the 1600 or so free Vst files I have,I have only gone through about 260 just for my guitar setup and there are only a few of those worth keeping.
It is a very long process to sort out that much stuff.

One thing I might add is that many sound even better if you use a 24bit interface as opposed to 16 bit as this is a given of course.

I see that your interface is 24 bit but IMHO 48khz sample rate is a bit marginal but does work okay.
I do have the PreSonus software as well and it seems to work pretty good and I like it a lot but I am not very proficient with it yet.

Cheers !!

jer

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Thanks! Gonna visit the ideas above shortly!
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"are you going to use speaker+cab+mic+room simulation in software?"

What is this exactly, is it available in studio one artist recording software, or something in general in most softwares, or? I am not seeing it?
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The name of the filter that I like is called the Plektron IRCab and can be found here,

:: Plektron :: VST plugin :: DOWNLOADS

There many other VST's that are freeware that have a great sound as well Poulin is one of my favorites and StudioDevil is another as well as several others such as FreeAmp is well rated.
I have at least 20 or more of them that I have tried so far.

Good Luck !!

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