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TiEx 22nd May 2012 05:06 PM

ODAC + PGA2320 + The Wire = The ultimate budget headphone system
 
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Disclaimer

First of all I want to present myself as a beginner audiophile mostly with theoretical knowledge rather than real experience. All materials discussed in this article is subject to change and dosen't mean to be ultimate truth. This project of mine has a goal to make a person on a budget happy. Any suggestions, advices, aiming in right direction, corrections and kind words are more than welcome! :)

Second of all must admit that I need a little help to take this project to the finish line. Let's make it together and keep all discussion positive. :rolleyes:

A little history

It all started when I did research on the interent when was about to buy multimedia speakers for my home PC. Few days after then I foun numerous forums for audiophiles, head-fi, diyaudio, headphiles, doctorhead, player to name a few. And not to mention mamny blogs with tons of information about DACs, preamplifiers, power amplifiers, speakers, headphones and other audio equipment. All in-between history is all about learning theory, some DIY practice, other peoples mistakes and making my own.

After few years of research I finally have time and money to make my humble home headphone desktop system. And hope that this project can become a standart in such DIY budget segment. And as mentioned in diclaimer, only if you will help me to solve some little problems, maybe this project can help make people on a budget like me very happy. ;)

The componets of system


All componets described below are already ordered and on their way, so changes should be small as possible and better shouldn't be at all.

Here is a list of additional componets
Transformers:
1) dual 18v 5W for analog supply both The Wire and PGA2320
2) 9v small ~3W for digital supply both MCU controller and PGA2320 digital part

Voltage regulators:
1) For analog part The Wire and PGA2320 will get separate regulators on LM317 and LM337
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attac...1&d=1337701916

2) For digital part of PGA2320 and MCU controller single LM317 regulator
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attac...1&d=1337702190

Other componets - different connectors are a matter of taste and needs, I use simple 3.5mm, 6.35mm and RCA jacks. Case will be plastic, you can find a lot of these for electronic projects.

Here is a list of componets used in this project:

DAC - ODAC from NwAvGuy on es9023 dac chip with Tenor te7022 USB receiver
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attac...1&d=1337704469

Volume regulation - PGA2320 from AptAudio, DCV01 PGA board
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attac...1&d=1337704224
and MCU01 controller unit with remote control
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attac...1&d=1337704224

Headhone amplifier - The Wire from OPC
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attac...1&d=1337704555


Information about project

Here is a general view plan of my small project
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attac...1&d=1337706550

Questions and problems

1) The first problem is dual transformer connection to voltage regulator. The thing is, my regulators have input AC-GND-AC. Each regulator has one full wave bridge rectifier as seen on picture. And there are two kinds of connection with transformer, parallel and center tap, described here. First way you have only two AC wires, the second way you have AC-0-AC scheme.

So the question is which way is better? Should I use first or second, in other words if GND input on regulators will be free, wouldn't this cause any problems?

2) The problem I am not familiar with is source selection. :o Ok, here we go. We have ODAC --> PGA2320 --> The Wire. I want my project to be versatile so preamp and separate headphone amp functions are welcome. For these functions there will be many connectors. So basically ODAC will have 3.5mm line out and also connection going to PGA2320. But to use PGA also as a preamp I want to solder 3.5mm and double RCA on its input and 3.5mm and double RCA on its output. I presume this way project will be able to work as a Standalone DAC, Variable output DAC, Preamp and Headhone amp.

And the question is for example: Preamp function - if I have some other DAC and AMP to listen and connect it to PGA2320 input via connector (3.5mm or RCAs) can I leave ODAC and The Wire turned on? Wouldn't there be interference and will the signal go thru PGA without any problems? Same thing and question for headphone amp function, wouldn't it interference with ODAC turned on? :( Don't know how to formulate question correctly. Does this project need a source selector, or I just can solder few connectors on one input and output of PGA2320?

Conclusion

For this ODAC + PGA2320 + The Wire project I wanted to have the best bang for buck and price/performance, price/quality ratio. As you can see all parts of system are relatively cheap for their specs. Hope with few corrections this project can cross the finish line with succes. :)

merlin2069er 22nd May 2012 05:10 PM

Looks pretty neat. Oh, you'll need a case :)

TiEx 22nd May 2012 08:43 PM

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Planning to put all this into plastic case for general electronic needs. Those enclosures are frequently used to manage distribution of AC wires in the house.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attac...1&d=1337719356

flynhawaiian 22nd May 2012 10:03 PM

Never seen a NEMA box used for an AMP. Sounds interesting though. You need to consider what you will be doing for a ground, as most NEMA boxes are grounded.

I would wire in a computer plug in the back with a switch, and run the power supplies internally in the box.

TiEx 22nd May 2012 10:10 PM

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There are some reasons to use NEMA box. Plastic is easy to work with and ground is not a problem as I am planning to do just as you suggested. Also thinking of connecting the transformer secondaries in center tap scheme for the analog supply. This way ground plane should be ok.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/attac...1&d=1337724605

flynhawaiian 22nd May 2012 10:18 PM

Actually I find metal easier to work with. Plastic has a lot of weird things you have to be aware of. For example, make sure you run your drill press on a very low setting using water to drill out the holes in the plastic to avoid burning through it.

Looking at your picture, your not incorporating the ground in the equation. I realize you may think it's not an issue, but when you are dealing with power supplies it is.

Thinking about it further, the other problem you are going to deal with is heat dissipation. That is one reason why most/all preamps/amps use metal cases. I think with your design you will need to install a small fan or two in the rear of the case.

TiEx 22nd May 2012 10:23 PM

Can you please describe or draw the grounding scheme for this project? I didn't catch what you are talking about.

As for the heat dissipation, all components are low power and good efficiency, nothing to worry about. In worst scenario I will cut some ventilation holes above hottest parts in top cover of the case. I bet fans will be unnecessary here.

flynhawaiian 22nd May 2012 10:34 PM

You'll still need heat dissipation of some type. Your power supply will generate a ton of heat. This is one of the reasons why computer power supplies have fans. Vents will still be needed irregardless. Rather than holes I would mill out small vents, 1" by 1" using a 1/16 or 1/8" mill bit. You can get the bit for a dremel, but you would need a holder.

I actually don't have autocad installed right now, as my hard drive just died and I had to get a new one. I don't have the power supply specs, but I think you would need one off the VI input, and one off the VO input (probably V6 in your picture). Ground is just a ground. It goes to the earth. Same thing with the neutral line. Neutral lines in houses are just connected to the grounding lug. Still without a ground in this, if your neutral line goes bad, your electronics / power supply will suffer!

ethanolson 23rd May 2012 03:59 AM

I'd consider a metal shroud (or metal case) of some sort that is grounded to the negative terminal on the headphone jack. That will aid in noise rejection.

As for the AC wiring, I don't see a need to use a center-tap or wall ground connection. Is there any component that needs or wants a ground or the center-tap pin? Maybe the controller or volume control... but double check on that because the other parts don't need a ground circuit that's connected to the wall.

qusp 23rd May 2012 07:47 AM

I would also consider using a 4 pole connection all round, no minis; including reterminating your headphones if possible. even though you have the single ended amp here, headphones and stereo audio in general benefit to having a dedicated return for each left and right connection. I would use a dual secondary transformer rather than center tapped, just because thats how the wire is set up and these are connected in series at the PSU anyway so effectively gives you a center tap, you can use either, but do not presume you need the center tap for ground.

Your star ground for analogue signal should be at the ground of the psu that powers the wire and possibly I would connect the analogue output ground from the ODAC here as well, then have a separate digital ground for the MCU etc and connect this and the analogue ground at one point and one point only, to the IEC earth ground

@ethanolson:
sure it does not need safety ground to function, but it should still be used for the main ground. he can break potential loops by simply connecting the main ground to SE through a low ohm resistor or thermistor for loop breaker.

look at the system grounding thread/article on here for illustration


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