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Old 5th December 2011, 08:57 PM   #1211
cheapskateaudio is offline cheapskateaudio  United States
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Originally Posted by dewardh View Post
Why don't we focus on the things we can all agree on . . .

and that CSA's headphone amp doesn't work very well . . .

and be done with this silly distraction ? ? ?

The O2 works fine when built to spec, sounds as good as anything out there, and is cheap and easy to build. CSA built something that isn't an O2 (which is why he won't post pictures) and is having problems with whatever it is.

That really should be the end of it . . .
Except that the O2 built to spec doesn't sound good with HD650's to my ear, it's kind of thin and harsh sounding. And both amps suffer a change in the character of their sound over time.

HD650's should be a little bassy and lush sounding right? That's what their FR curve would indicate. Most impressions are that the HD650 offer even more of that traditional HD6xx sound (big bass, lush mids, slightly rolled treble) than the HD600's even. To me it sounds like my HD650's are being driven by a lightweight amp. I'm probably being to much of a perfectionist, but then people like yourself hype it up by saying "it sounds as good as anything". I want to hear that, but I don't.
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Old 5th December 2011, 09:03 PM   #1212
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Well... I offered to find out what is wrong with your O2's.
I just won't spend 80€ on a broken piece of kit only to prove a point.
Not that everybody with a broken O2 comes here with wild accusations and the expectation of me buying their stuff and diagnosing it.
The 50€ offer stands. Take it or leave it.

On another note: I just ordered myself a Raacostat 6-3 (250 series) with 54 ESD-drawers.
That way I don't have to keep all them Mouser-bags around. :-)
And the WAF (woman/wife acceptance factor) on the Raacostat has been tested...
Result: the Raacostat has a WAF of 0,8 while the cardboard box has a WAF of "2 days or it goes out", which is fairly close to 0.
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Old 5th December 2011, 09:08 PM   #1213
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@cheapskateaudio, everyone here knows where you stand. You don't like the O2's sound, so you "fixed" it, and now apparently it's even worse, overheats, fries parts, oscillates, etc. We're all deaf and clueless and you like the uDAC better. We got it. Given your views someone offering you twice the parts costs for your O2 board seems like a great deal, but that wasn't good enough for you either. So please stop cluttering up this thread with your redundant, and very unhelpful, posts or I'll take it up with the admins. Go listen to your uDAC if you like it better. Problem solved. Even Konga ended up not having a regulator problem at all. You're standing alone on an ever shrinking island.
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Old 5th December 2011, 09:14 PM   #1214
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Here is a photo of the two amps:

The "modded" amp is on the left, and the now "partially modded" amp is on the right. I reduced the gain on that amp in addition to a couple other things I was trying out. They're not "final" which is why I resisted posting them, but since everyone is going berserk, here you go.

Click the image to open in full size.

Looks like the link doesn't work so:http://www.flickr.com/photos/71466527@N05/

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Old 5th December 2011, 09:19 PM   #1215
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Originally Posted by MrSlim View Post
They look fine to me..
Yup, it was just an optical illusion on my part (I thought it looked like heat sinks might be facing toward the back).
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Old 5th December 2011, 09:20 PM   #1216
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Originally Posted by cheapskateaudio View Post
Except that the O2 built to spec doesn't sound good
How would you know ? ? ?
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Old 5th December 2011, 09:20 PM   #1217
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My CSA theory is that it's a canny businessman doing what he can to stop the O2 wave which has a fair potential to swamp the headphone amp world and take his investment with it.

CSA has cleverly 'modded' his O2 which means he avoids libelling the real O2 (or RocketScience) while also mixing in some eye of newt (personal smear) in to the cauldron to influence those of sensitive and nervous disposition.

With a smart use of SOE: CSA's strategy might have some effect. Better than doing nothing and seeing his investment go up in smoke.

I can see NWavGuy's blog being hit with copyright "Cease and desist" orders sooner or later. I've already copied the whole of his site using site copying software so that I have the build info I need in case it goes offline.

There are vested interests who can't be too keen on RocketScientist. If their investments are substantial then RocketScientist should take basic security measures and review his anonymity (which may be a good or a bad thing, I don't know).
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Old 5th December 2011, 09:29 PM   #1218
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Originally Posted by dewardh View Post
How would you know ? ? ?
Wow, this is hard...

Ok, the first one I built was *exactly* the BOM specified amp, I hated it. Thats why I got a second one with modifications, to start, it was solely improved parts with better specs. Within reason of course. About the only thing I splurged on were the WIMA coupling caps, which are $6 each. (Thats why I offered 80 euros)

Now I've modded them both to varying degrees.
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Old 5th December 2011, 09:50 PM   #1219
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Originally Posted by Jokener View Post
It was built using a cheap, unregulated soldering station built BEFORE the last war (and I live in Germany, we don't have many wars around here)
Hi Jokener, if this is not just joke, can you please post photo of your soldering iron, especially tip.
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Old 5th December 2011, 10:06 PM   #1220
lenconian is online now lenconian  Germany
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Oh guys, come on please just leave it be, ok?
If this would be Amazon, there would now be one (or maybe a few more, I don't know) negative ratings against an overwhelming repsonse from all of the other buyers.

So cheapskate doesn't like his amp, ... that's ok. Maybe we'll never know if it was built according to spec or if he just doesn't like the sound. It really doesn't matter to me. I don't think anyone here was paid to post their reviews. But cheapskate you've made your point clear, and if you don't want to take Jokeners offer, please feel free to use an amp you like and leave us to our little O2s

It's just that this discussion is getting ever more bothersome for me to read, and I would like the admins to take a closer look at it, so we can stay on topic. Accusations of any kind don't fit diy-audio.

All the best, guys,
I think the postman tried to to deliver my O2, but I wasn't there at the time, so I'm gonna have o pick it up at the post office. I can't wait to start
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