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Old 23rd November 2007, 05:32 PM   #11
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I just realized that others can do a far better job than me so I'll watch from a distance.

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I have just downloaded MicroCAP9 demo from http://www.spectrum-soft.com/index.shtm. Now this is not a computer game like these free packages on offer!

Simulated the circuit and my goodness, voltages and currents predicted by the package is identical to the prototype I made. Thanks guys for helping me.

I am so impressed with the simulation package that I have ordered the full version at only $ 4630, it is a steal.
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Old 23rd November 2007, 06:03 PM   #12
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Very nice! Very good performance. I measured distortion at less than 0.0009% at 1KHz and 0.001 at 20KHz.

Stability can be improved by increasing C3 from 15p to 100p. This is demonstrated in the graphic below. Top chart is the Miller cap at 15p, the bottom at 100p. Signal is taken from the base of the EF (Q3).

It would appear as if c3 = 15p is optimal and 100pF causes slew limiting. With 15p I get about 20V/uS
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Old 23rd November 2007, 06:16 PM   #13
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There's nothing wrong with LTSpice but you will have to dig up your own models. Avoid OnSemi's ones, the Fairchild ones are spot on.
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Old 23rd November 2007, 06:36 PM   #14
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There's nothing wrong with LTSpice but you will have to dig up your own models. Avoid OnSemi's ones, the Fairchild ones are spot on.
MacroCap uses models with .lib extension which is available from On-Semi and contains 30 parameters used by the program.

As for building ones own libraries, unfortuinately I don't have the time to create models or test each transistor I purchase against the data sheet, that is why I am prepared to pay $ 4K for a simulator and whatever else each library costs.

I accept that On-Semi or any other manufaturer for that matter provides accurate data, else we will not be purchasing their products and they will cease to exist.

Kind regards

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Old 23rd November 2007, 07:30 PM   #15
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My recommendation is not to simulate too much. Why don't you build a prototype?
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Old 23rd November 2007, 07:50 PM   #16
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My recommendation is not to simulate too much. Why don't you build a prototype?
I have, I am listening to it now. Did some measurements last night - could not believe the measurements and the reason for my wanting to simulate it to confirm.

My audio measurement equipment is pretty old I have an HP8903B and I could not measure any distortion.

I never really simulate much did so when I was still in R&D some years ago. Regarding my hobby, I am from the old school and design from first priciples.
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Old 23rd November 2007, 07:53 PM   #17
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You don't have a soundcard in your PC? If so, why don't you test with Rightmark Audio Analyzer? Very good freeware.
http://audio.rightmark.org/index_new.shtml
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Old 23rd November 2007, 08:02 PM   #18
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You don't have a soundcard in your PC? If so, why don't you test with Rightmark Audio Analyzer? Very good freeware.
http://audio.rightmark.org/index_new.shtml

Wow, with 44.1kHz sample rate I cannot measure much. Sound cards are not test equipment.

But thanks anyway.
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Many soundcards have more than 44 kHz but even with 44kHz/16 bits you can at least see if the amp is better than the soundcard.
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Many soundcards have more than 44 kHz but even with 44kHz/16 bits you can at least see if the amp is better than the soundcard.

It is.
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