Versatile and comfortable passive pre-amp - diyAudio
Go Back   Home > Forums > Commercial Sector > Group Buys

Group Buys Members group buys

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 8th June 2013, 03:16 PM   #1
diyAudio Member
 
Rudi_Ratlos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Hamburg / Germany
Default Versatile and comfortable passive pre-amp

Gentlemen,

my DIY-friend METAL and I have been working for quite a while on a passive pre-amp that shall be versatile (give us all the functionality
that we need) and comfortable, so we can sit in our armchair and control everything per remote-control-unit.

This is the current result of our project:

Click the image to open in full size.
http://abload.de/img/display012a0xwe.jpg

This PCB (I call it VCPre hereafter) has the following functionality:

- Source selection of up to 3 input sources
- Mute function
- Attenuation, either based on a LDR - solution or a traditional AUDIO potentiometer
- Support of motorized potentiometers
- Display of attenuation
- Display of current temperature of your heatsinks
- Implementation of a Standby / Resume-from-Standby function for your amplifier
- Status-display on a 1x16chars LCD module
- Every function can be controlled by an infrared remote-control unit

The functionality of the VCPre is accomplished by the use of a PIC 16F886 µProcessor.

I myself am using the current VCPre PCB-version in the build of my FC-100 amplifier, it works flawlessly, and I did not yet receive any complaint
from any of the German DIYers, who have already installed the PCB.

Click the image to open in full size.
http://abload.de/img/neverbeforehavelisten5hzwb.jpg

If there is some interest, I will start a group-buy offering the PCB(s), documentation, pre-programmed µProcessor, hard-to-get components (if any), ...

Best regards - Rudi_Ratlos
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Display 012.jpg (446.0 KB, 2635 views)
File Type: jpg Never before have listened to .. 009.jpg (438.9 KB, 2409 views)

Last edited by Rudi_Ratlos; 8th June 2013 at 03:29 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 9th June 2013, 12:03 AM   #2
tubo is offline tubo  Philippines
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Mundelein, Illinois
im very interested. want one with the ldr
  Reply With Quote
Old 9th June 2013, 07:45 AM   #3
diyAudio Member
 
meanman1964's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Belgium the land of chocolate
Rudi,
Let's start!!
  Reply With Quote
Old 9th June 2013, 09:31 AM   #4
diyAudio Member
 
Rudi_Ratlos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Hamburg / Germany
Not so fast, Patrick.
I like to explain in detail the features of the VCPre and collect your impressions, thoughts, wishes for enhancements, ..., first.

This is the main PCB:

Click the image to open in full size.
http://abload.de/img/vcprej7xef.png

Its size is 100 x 100mm, double-sided, top-quality.

If you like to power-on/off your amplifier by your infrared control unit as well, I offer you a small Soft-Power-On PCB.

Click the image to open in full size.
http://abload.de/img/spoqra3m.png

The SPO-PCB is connected to the VCPre-PCB by a 4-pole connector on the left side (above the small transformer) of the VCPre-PCB.

The reasons, why I layouted the Soft-Power-On on a PCB of its own, are:
- you can install the VCPre in a case of its own and connect it to the SPO-PCB, which is installed in your amplifier's case
- you can install both PCBs in different locations in your amplifier's case, separating the mains from the audio-section

This is the schematics of the Soft-Power-On:

Click the image to open in full size.
http://abload.de/img/image3b4qmh.png

As long as relay K1 is open, no current will flow at all.
After K1 is closed, current will flow through the NTCs (is limited by them) to prevent your fuse from being blown by the inrush current.
When, after some time, K2 is closed, the NTCs are bypassed and current can flow unhindered.

You can of course implement the timing with analog components.
In this project METAL and I used the software-versatility of the PIC µProcessor.
This is for example the part of the software that switches off the amplifier (entering standby-mode):

Click the image to open in full size.

Easy! Isn't it?

If you have any questions about the functionality of the VCPre - tell me.

Best regards - Rudi_Ratlos
Attached Images
File Type: png VCPre.png (231.5 KB, 265 views)
File Type: png SPO.png (80.5 KB, 214 views)
File Type: png Image3.png (14.0 KB, 306 views)
File Type: png Image2.png (9.7 KB, 324 views)
  Reply With Quote
Old 9th June 2013, 02:37 PM   #5
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Bakersfield Ca
Rudi,
Very nice work, any noise issue having the transformer so close? The digital stuff probably goes to sleep but any noise from it when you are making volume changes? If you make boards available I would like a couple seems like it will complement my F6 when I get around to building it. I purchased 4 sets of LDRS with a couple of other circuit boards but was never happy with those solutions. If I had any talent for making circuit boards I would go ahead and mount the IO connectors on the board and omit the additional wiring in the case.

Bill
  Reply With Quote
Old 9th June 2013, 03:39 PM   #6
diyAudio Member
 
Rudi_Ratlos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Hamburg / Germany
You are of course right, Bill: the PIC µProcessor is in sleep mode almost most of its time.
This is the "Sleep-mode" implementation (C-commands and macros preceeded by a "//" are treated as comments):

...
//CLRWDT(); /*Clear watchdog timer */
//SWDTEN = 1; /* ... and enable it ...*/
GIE = 1; /*Enable interrupts*/
SLEEP(); /*Put the processor into sleep mode*/
//SWDTEN = 0; /*Disable watchdog timer*/
...

Unless being interrupted by a pressing a key on your remote control unit, the processor is in "sleep mode".
In this mode its power consumption is reduced to some nA. Since the overall current consumption is constant (1 source relay being active,
2 LEDs are burning, current is flowing through the LDRs), no hum is generated from the small transformer at all.

I isolated the power consumed by the Motor-H-bridge (can be as much as 150mA) by giving the Motor-H-bridge a 7805 voltage regulator of its own.
You will not hear any hum, when you change the volume level.

A nice feature of the PIC µProcessor are its internal timers (for example: Watchdog Timer).
These timers can be used to do some work periodically.
The Watchdog Timer can be used, for example, to sensor the temperature of the heatsinks once a minute and give a warning,
if a specified threshold is exceeded.
METAL and I are currently thinking about to implement this feature.

Best regards - Rudi
  Reply With Quote
Old 9th June 2013, 05:53 PM   #7
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: HK
I will suggest to add an input/output jumper between the seletor section and attenuator section, for someone if want to have a active gain stage could do an easy add on.
  Reply With Quote
Old 9th June 2013, 08:48 PM   #8
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Bakersfield Ca
I had looked at those pins and wondered, nice to have that option. A little daughter board with buffers and their own power supply.

Bill
  Reply With Quote
Old 9th June 2013, 10:41 PM   #9
diyAudio Member
 
Rudi_Ratlos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Hamburg / Germany
Goldkenn, Bill: I have added two 2-pole connectors in front of the mute-relay.
Does it suit you?

Best regards - Rudi_Ratlos
Attached Images
File Type: png Image1.png (50.7 KB, 286 views)
  Reply With Quote
Old 10th June 2013, 01:08 AM   #10
billyk is offline billyk  United States
diyAudio Member
 
billyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: North Central Mass, USA
I Like it. It has most everything I could need, LDR attenuator, relay controlled input.
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Designing a versatile pre with balanced and unbalanced in/out Nikon1975 Analog Line Level 56 28th December 2012 10:56 PM
Passive pre-amp Davy Solid State 20 25th August 2008 09:11 PM
Is this possible from a passive pre-amp? mr.duck Everything Else 7 3rd December 2006 11:57 AM
passive pre amp mschwilson Solid State 10 27th July 2005 01:43 PM
Passive pre amp vs powered pre amp fatmarley Solid State 21 21st November 2003 02:01 PM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 04:19 PM.


vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright ©1999-2014 diyAudio

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2