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Old 1st June 2012, 03:48 PM   #31
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For the first batch, the price for the case without the major heat sinks (main & regulator) was 360 Euros.
Add those (6 pieces fully machined plus associated mechanical parts) and it came close to 600 Euros
Shipment cost was 80Euro+ for a single case (excluding the said 6 heat sinks).
You can go back to all previous GB threads and add them all up, or ask one of the 1st batch guys like NicMac.
At that time one Euro was approx. 11 HKD.

Yes, we shall support batch 1 for regulator sinks, after smyslow has tested them sonically.
He has already had all the mechanical parts necessarily for his tests.

If you want a simple economical solution, suggest you look at the forum's HiFi2000 cases.


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PS the Euro is quite miserable at the moment.
Today's rate is 1 Euro = 9.60 HKD. It was 10 HKD a week ago.
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Old 1st June 2012, 04:31 PM   #32
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Moi aussie..... These prices have nothing to do with what I had heard for the case of the 1st round.
If I add the parts cost then the amount is....... I could buy a ready made amp...
I think with that amount the essence of diy is lost....

I'm not moaning, just my personal opinion.

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Old 1st June 2012, 06:33 PM   #33
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The first round price breakdown are already listed in post#31.
You can check for yourselves.


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Old 1st June 2012, 09:08 PM   #34
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Old 3rd June 2012, 09:45 PM   #35
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Moi aussie..... These prices have nothing to do with what I had heard for the case of the 1st round.
Somehow this does not fit with my memory. As I was (am) part of the Batch 1 group I know more or less what I spend.

Case price?
Batch 2: 6.200HKD (approx. 640 euro)

Batch 1:
Cost (what I have actually paid) for my batch 1 cases:
Case: 360 euro without sinks (+ fees that I donít recall)
Conrad sinks: 179AUD (about 139 euro, including fees)
Future sinks and mounting extras for regulators 100 euro (included with Batch 2)
Total: 599 euro (+ fees not counted)

Conclusion: considering the fees, currency fluctuation etc., I believe that it is safe to say that the price has not changed significantly.

What about the PCBs?
Batch 2 (all PCBs): 800 HKD (approx. 83 euro)

Cost (what I have actually paid) Batch 1:
Amp PCBs: 80 USD (about 64 euro)
Protection board: 20 euro
Total: 84 euro

Conclusion: same price.


What about the resistors?
Batch 2 (PRP and Fukushima): 600 HKD (approx. 62 euro)

Batch 1:
PRP: NicMac GB: 54 USD (approx. 44 euro)
Fukushima: Horio GB: 15 USD (8x 0R22) (approx. 12 euro)
Total: 56 euro

Conclusion: same price (without having to set up new group buys......)

What about the FETs?
Batch 2: 2200 HKD (approx. 228 euro)

Batch 1:
Matched 2SJ74/2SK170 from Spencer: 18USD (at bestÖ).
4x P-N matched 2SK1530/2SJ201 pairs from Zhou: 96USD* (*now 180USD)
Matched 2SK3497/2SJ618 for regulator: pchw GB: 14USD
Total: 103 euro (*170 euro)

Conclusion: the FET package is significantly more costly.
Could you do it cheaper? Yes Ė you could get the FETs from Spencer and Zhou. Would the quality obtained this way be equivalent? No.
Both the J74/K17 and J20/K15 are matched in ways not offered by Spencer and Zhou. In particular, the matching of the J20/K15ís will de done under true operating conditions, which is an enormous work. Iím investing quite some time and money to get the same quality for us Batch 1 subscribers, because for us there was no way of getting this quality by paying another 100$.
I donít think I need to tell you which way I would have gone, if I had had the choice.



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I think with that amount the essence of diy is lost....
If you think the essence of DIY is that it has to be cheap then you are correct: this build is not exactly cheap. However, this build, even if bought as a complete kit, is still very much DIY indeed. You will have to mount, solder, wire, test, bias and all the things you would have to do with any build. Have a look at the links below to convince yourself.

F5X -- the EUVL Approach - The Build Thread

F5X Case

Unless you have a very serious mechanical workshop you cannot DIY this chassis yourself. Impossible. You might get a case from HiFi2000 with custom made back and front panels, mounting hardware, chassis feetís etc. but you would never even get close and still end up paying 2/3 of the F5X case price.

This build is High-End DIY

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If I add the parts cost then the amount is....... I could buy a ready made amp...
Yes Ė several, but not this amp.
I got two cases in the Batch 1 group buy and I will eventually have two complete amps. Unless I get a bigger house (unlikely) I will have to sell one of them and I already have some very interesting offers from audio friends, unable to DIY, but accustomed to this class of audio gear.


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I'm not moaning, just my personal opinion.
Yes, and this is fine. Iím simply chiming in to clarify that the batch 2 actually has essentially the same price as batch 1, but without all the group buy hassle that us Batch 1 subscribers have suffered over the last year and a half. Don't underestimate this very important advantage of the Batch 2 GB.

If you cannot afford it - you should not buy it (or maybe just 1 in stead of the 2 you were signed up for). Just don't blame your choice on an untrue increase in price or lack of DIY pleasure.

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Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with XEN audio or any financial interest in their products. In fact, had the price been significantly higher I might have able to sell my second Batch 1 F5X at an even better price
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Old 3rd June 2012, 10:23 PM   #36
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Nicmac you need to push the brakes!!!
First I really don't believe I have insulted anybody. What's the problem with me pulling out? Has the case been ordered and I didn't pay?No.
Did I insult?No.
I checked in, saw the price and checked out. So what is the problem here?
Like you said the price for the first banch was 360. I was expecting something like that.
It isn't. I pull out.
So, what's the need for this long post?

@EUVL do you feel offended in any way?

Oh and don't forget, I signed up BEFORE the price was announced.
You are trying to say that if for example, I go inside a shop i have to necessarily buy?

Pardon me, but I have the right to "blame your choice on an untrue increase in price or lack of DIY pleasure.". It doesn't affect you in any way.
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Old 3rd June 2012, 10:45 PM   #37
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mekanixz,
You did not insult me and I don't think I have insulted you.
I posted before you that I found the price reasonable and your post simply prompted me to substantiate this with actual numbers and my personal comments. My post was not at all meant as an attack on you or anybody else. I would certainly think anybody is free to jump in and out for whatever reason they may have. I was actually hoping that my post would be informative and promote a build that I admittedly like. End of story.
I'm sorry that it has disturbed you.

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Old 3rd June 2012, 10:50 PM   #38
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Communication can be tricky.
I misunderstood your intentions.
My apologies.

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Old 3rd June 2012, 10:58 PM   #39
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Reading my post again I better understand your reaction. I'm sorry it came out as if I was arguing against your choices rather than the price/quality of the build in general terms. I should not have used quotes from your post.
My mistake and sincere apologies to you.
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Old 4th June 2012, 04:31 AM   #40
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I am glad that you guys have calmed doen before I had a chance to read Nic's post.
It is just DIY. We all want to have fun, and don't want to get at each other.

Thanks to Nic for posting the first batch expenses, showing that we are not over charging by any means for batch 2.
Again please note that the Euro has depreciated over 10% in the meantime.

As to the FETs, Zhou is now charging 180 USD for 8 MOSFETs, single point match at room temperature.
We are offering curve tracer match at operating conditions.
It is the difference between 1 minute per device and 15 minutes per device including data processing.
As I said, the prices are tentative, and will be in line with those of Nic's GB, plus labour.
(We don't have the time and have to pay someone to do the actual matching work.)
Of course all are options. I did not say you have to buy everything from us.

It is a bit of a shame that people appear to have the feeling we are ripping off, when we are just providing a service.
Count CNC milling for 1000 HKD an hour, and you can count how many hours we need to make such a case.
We don't want to make a loss, like Batch 1, but considering the time we have to put in, it will never pay our hours.

When we told Variac of the forum that we would do a Batch 2, he was surprised that we would bother to.
That just gives you an idea how much work there is to organise something like this.
The same amount of work goes for products that some of us manufacture (for a living) that cost over 20k USD a piece.


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